Overclocking when I don't want to.

Tetras said:
Is that possible on this board? I thought that was a relatively recent feature. The manual does talk about something near the bottom, a Turbo utility, I wonder if you could with that?


You can, but I'm not sure if you can pick which one. Would be lucky if you picked 3 and it selected that one.
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Yeah I need to spend more time in the manual, there is a way to change the ratios per core, but I think it's the ratio depending on how many are active rather than a ratio for core 0,1,2,3.

Yeah I saw I can lower how many processors in each package it utilises, but it wont pick which one no. le sigh

Currently prime95 is runing with a small overclock, happy as larry, so long as core 1 isn't doing any serious math.

But I think we can rule out the mainboard!
 
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MoridinUK said:
oh which one? not sure I did, I turned off most of the speed step stuff but left turbo on
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On page 144 in the pdf (Chapter 4: 4-14), "Turbo Processing Unit", there's a picture of the utility and it looks interesting. It is part of AI Suite 3.

Asus also provide what I assume is a customised version of Intel XTU on the download page for your board, which may also be worth trying, since I don't know what features it has.
 
Tetras said:
On page 144 in the pdf (Chapter 4: 4-14), "Turbo Processing Unit", there's a picture of the utility and it looks interesting. It is part of AI Suite 3.

Asus also provide what I assume is a customised version of Intel XTU on the download page for your board, which may also be worth trying, since I don't know what features it has.
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Thank you, you've done so much more for me than I had any right to expect!
 
Sadly the asus XTU wont install says unsupported platform, though it's meant to be win10 compatible. I guess it's not updated for the latest... :( And the cpu is no longer supported on the TXU... le sigh
 
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So I'm trying to decide whether to just live with this (save any money I'd spend on a fix for a much bigger upgrade), go back to the i5-6600k, or buy another i7-7700k but that feels like wasting the money as I can get a ryzen 5 5600x for the same money (though I'd need a board lol)
 
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So I'm trying to decide whether to just live with this (save any money I'd spend on a fix for a much bigger upgrade), go back to the i5-6600k, or buy another i7-7700k but that feels like wasting the money as I can get a ryzen 5 5600x for the same money (though I'd need a board lol)
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Is it any more stable if you disable the Turbo and cull a few hundred Mhz from it?

If you can get it generally stable, where it doesn't produce any errors, then I guess I'd consider keeping it.

But, really I'd suggest you open a claim and return it, because if they're so confident that it works why don't they just take it back? That marketplace almost always side with the buyer anyhow.

If it was me, I'd consider something like this (or the 5600/5600X, as you said), rather than faffing about with these old CPUs:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £133.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

You could likely pick up a 6700K cheaper too, if you prefer, though 6th gen has a higher performance hit from the security features being enabled if you upgrade to Windows 11.

Another thing of note: most boards can be modded to support 8th / 9th gen CPUs if you really want to hang onto it, but don't know if you're into that.
 
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Tetras said:
Is it any more stable if you disable the Turbo and cull a few hundred Mhz from it?

If you can get it generally stable, where it doesn't produce any errors, then I guess I'd consider keeping it.

But, really I'd suggest you open a claim and return it, because if they're so confident that it works why don't they just take it back? That marketplace almost always side with the buyer anyhow.

If it was me, I'd consider something like this (or the 5600/5600X, as you said), rather than faffing about with these old CPUs:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £133.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

You could likely pick up a 6700K cheaper too, if you prefer, though 6th gen has a higher performance hit from the security features being enabled if you upgrade to Windows 11.

Another thing of note: most boards can be modded to support 8th / 9th gen CPUs if you really want to hang onto it, but don't know if you're into that.
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Thank you again! I'm not sure I can manage to mod the board and I do feel I should give up on the older cpus eventually. The obsession is that I have 3 kids who all like to play, so I'm actually trying to keep parts going as long as I can to keep the total number of working pcs up. My plan was to use this and the i5-6600k, to give me 3 ok machines (the other being a ryzen 5 5600x) and then build a new one around a 7800x3d or 9800x3d lol.

So this fault messes me up.

I can't get that core stable if I under clock either. But prime95 will run fore hours, so long as I stop the worker using that core.

Does that i3 get me into win11 territory? ;)
Anyway it certainly proves I shouldn't push the button and spend MORE on a second i7-7700k!
 
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I'm not sure I can manage to mod the board and I do feel I should give up on the older cpus eventually.
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It is not super complicated and doesn't require any permanent hardware modification, mostly a BIOS flash (some boards need a programmer) and if you use certain CPUs a pin mod where you cover them off.

MoridinUK said:
So this fault messes me up.

I can't get that core stable if I under clock either. But prime95 will run fore hours, so long as I stop the worker using that core.
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Ahh, darn. Yeah, I really think you should insist and file a claim if necessary because you appear to have been sold a dud and in that circumstance the buyer can't just say "no returns" if they sold it as a working CPU. If it was listed as spares or repairs then sure, fair enough.

MoridinUK said:
Does that i3 get me into win11 territory? ;)
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Yes, any CPU from 8th gen onwards is officially compatible, but 6th and 7th gen CPUs do work. 7th gen had modifications that made them faster with the security features enabled, so they are always preferable if you have the choice.

The i3-12100F is a cheap CPU, but very strong:

If you can stomach the extra, I'd get the i5-12400F instead (6 cores, up from 4) which will have a longer life, though at that point you could also get a 5600X/5600 instead.

Note that if you buy the H610 board I mentioned, I wouldn't recommend going much higher than the i5-12400F, due the lack of a heatsink. Using the cooler in the box would help because it'll blow some air downward.
 
Tetras said:
Yes, any CPU from 8th gen onwards is officially compatible, but 6th and 7th gen CPUs do work. 7th gen had modifications that made them faster with the security features enabled, so they are always preferable if you have the choice.

The i3-12100F is a cheap CPU, but very strong:

If you can stomach the extra, I'd get the i5-12400F instead (6 cores, up from 4) which will have a longer life, though at that point you could also get a 5600X/5600 instead.

Note that if you buy the H610 board I mentioned, I wouldn't recommend going much higher than the i5-12400F, due the lack of a heatsink. Using the cooler in the box would help because it'll blow some air downward.
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I'll have a look, the h610 board is very affordable!

I'm in two minds, I spoke to him and he's saying if I'd said it was broken sooner he'd have done something. But because I chased about trying to fix it for a few weeks, he doesn't want to do anything. He insists it worked when he removed it from the pc and it must be my fault. I did send him a note as it was left outside my door, in a box that had been ripped open. But he didn't want to make a claim.

The problem core ran hot (like 5- 10 degrees more than the others) from the get go. I could file with ebay but he has a point, I did buy the cpu with a winning bid on Nov 22nd. I just did nothing with it for a while and then thought everything else but it was the problem!

Is the i5-12400f a better buy then the ryzen 5 5600x they look very similar performance wise!
 
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MoridinUK said:
I could file with ebay but he has a point, I did buy the cpu with a winning bid on Nov 22nd. I just did nothing with it for a while and then thought everything else but it was the problem!
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Ah, I see. Don't you have to file the claim before 30 days?

MoridinUK said:
Is the i5-12400f a better buy then the ryzen 5 5600x they look very similar performance wise!
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Doesn't matter, they're almost identical. I'd say just comes down to the availability of a cheap board that isn't terrible. If you need WIFI that's trickier, but plenty of cheap H610 boards around.
 
Tetras said:
Ah, I see. Don't you have to file the claim before 30 days?


Doesn't matter, they're almost identical. I'd say just comes down to the availability of a cheap board that isn't terrible. If you need WIFI that's trickier, but plenty of cheap H610 boards around.
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The auction was marked as no returns accepted, so I did hope he may have been super nice and returned it, but I wasn't expecting it!

:) The 12100f and 12400f are they the intel generation before they had all their over heating issues I think?
 
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MoridinUK said:
:) The 12100f and 12400f are they the intel generation before they had all their over heating issues I think?
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12th gen were not impacted by the problems that 13-14th gen had reported in the tech press.


If you want to go with a 5600/5600X CPU, then I'd suggest you look at B450 or A520, they tend to be cheap, though you would lose PCI-E 4.0 on the graphics slot and there are no DDR5 boards, if you happened to be interested in that for H610.
 
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