Oxfam sex debacle

So the government are whinging about whether to pay money to Oxfam or not because of the sex scandal yet continues to pay millions into the UN who are a law unto themselves and routinely cover up major scandals involving their personnel.

For instance:
" An Associated Press investigation revealed in 2017 that more than 100 UN peacekeepers ran a child sex ring in Haiti over a 10 year period and none were ever jailed."
"Personnel from the U.N. Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo stand accused of at least 150 major human rights violations."
Scandals involving Blue Helmets from several countries, which include allegations of sexual assault, financial mismanagement and the 2010 cholera outbreak that killed 6,000 Haitians.
 
Rroff said:
Oxfam as a charity aims to eradicate poverty and that includes the need for people to resort to prostitution to make a living - though there are aspects there that are debatable as some might still chose to do it as a profession.
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people don't have to resort to prostitution for a living but it pays well, you work your own hours, you have a lot of freedom, you work only a few days a week then take 2 weeks off.
in some countries you even pay taxes... mandatory health checks.

the only thing that keeps prostitution as a poverty thing is when a country has not legalized it and it's driven underground and attracts all the shady people and dirty sex tourists

There is always the argument with charities that paying top wage for top talent ultimate makes the organisation run better and results in more effectively use of the money and resources they do have ultimately saving money
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Can you imagine if your job was to eradicate the need for you to have a job? just how well would you do that job.
 
arknor said:
people don't have to resort to prostitution for a living but it pays well
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That is a gross simplistic view of the realities of it in many parts of the world.

MikeTheNative said:
Is everyone deliberately missing the point of why this has caused an issue?
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No but personally I think its part of a bigger problem and not just about that charity or about prostitution.
 
I'm not really bothered.

If you want to spend your free time and cash on hookers and cocaine that's your choice. Regardless of if you work for a charity or the home office, as long as you do a good job, and don't decry these acts in public.

People are outraged over everything, I find modern western culture a bit bonkers.
 
MikeTheNative said:
Is everyone deliberately missing the point of why this has caused an issue?
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oxfam would rather they had no jobs and stay in poverty than let their own employees who are likely unpaid volunteers pay these prostitutes for something they are going to do regardless.

is someone really being taken advantage of? other than people who work for charities for free? isn't it something these women would do anyway. I'd imagine the oxfam workers treated them with a lot more respect than some of their other customers do.


what's ironic is all of these charities are probably against the use of slave labour. but gladly have employees they don't pay :eek:

probably fine if your in a highpaid job at oxfam, use high class escorts and snort powdery substances though
 
arknor said:
oxfam would rather they had no jobs and stay in poverty than let their own employees who are likely unpaid volunteers pay these prostitutes for something they are going to do regardless.

is someone really being taken advantage of? other than people who work for charities for free? isn't it something these women would do anyway. I'd imagine the oxfam workers treated them with a lot more respect than some of their other customers do.


what's ironic is all of these charities are probably against the use of slave labour. but gladly have employees they don't pay :eek:
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The reason this has caused an issue is because they concealed it from the charity watchdog when probed about it. Are people not reading the articles!
 
DAIR said:
Lol

Out of interest. Who were they supposed to disclose this information to?
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From the BBC article there were allegations that the girls were underage and they didn't tell the Charity Commission this.

Michelle Russell, director of investigations at the Charity Commission - which will also be part of the talks - told BBC Radio 4's Today programme officials had been "assured" Oxfam had investigated it "fully"
However, she said the watchdog was not told the full story at the time of the investigation.

"Had the details of what has come out been told to us, we would have dealt with this very differently," she added.

Oxfam said allegations that underage girls may have been involved were unproven.
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Oxfam is a corporation based on exploiting the suffering of some and the generosity of others. The fact that it is more concerned with its reputation than an open and honest handling of abuse by its employees and volunteers should not be a surprise.
 
I'm not saying anyone did anything wrong or that there were underage girls there. Just that Oxfam failed to fully declare what happened to the Charity Commission which is why they are in trouble.
 
on are allegations actually proven? wouldn't put it past someone in poverty to feed some lies to a journalist for a few kinder buenos
 
LabR@t said:
Spend the money here on the needy in this country.
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The needy in this country can go **** themselves IMO, no excuses. We've got free education, free healthcare and social security. If you're poor here then get over it and do something about it - it is mostly only 'relative poverty' anyway... if you're really desperate then there are food banks and emergency funds/accommodation etc.. available too.


The people I want to give my money to are people in the third world who don't even have say a simple net to protect them from malaria, or don't even have safe drinking water. That's where donations can really make a difference. I've got no time for any citizen or permanent resident of a first world country, I've already paid plenty in taxes to subsidise their existence.

The stuff that really irritates me are the go fund me campaigns to help some individual from an ordinary background who could be helped by loans or family rather than donations. Like a friend on Facebook posting about some other idiot friend who went backpacking in Thailand without travel insurance and got injured... they needed money for a parent to fly to him and to pay for treatment... a credit card or loan could cover that. Ditto to some hippy chick whose uninsure houseboat sank - she had the audacity to essentially beg for money on social media to buy a new one. The amount of money raised in either case (in the thousands) could save actual lives in Africa but instead goes to some infividual/family who ought to be able to sort themselves out or rely on loans from a bank/credit card or someone close to them.
 
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dowie said:
The needy in this country can go **** themselves IMO, no excuses. We've got free education, free healthcare and social security. If you're poor here then get over it and do something about it - it is mostly only 'relative poverty' anyway... if you're really desperate then there are food banks and emergency funds/accommodation etc.. available too.


The people I want to give my money to are people in the third world who don't even have say a simple net to protect them from malaria, or don't even have safe drinking water. That's where donations can really make a difference. I've got no time for any citizen or permanent resident of a first world country, I've already paid plenty in taxes to subsidise their existence.

The stuff that really irritates me are the go fund me campaigns to help some individual from an ordinary background who could be helped by loans or family rather than donations. Like a friend on Facebook posting about some other idiot friend who went backpacking in Thailand without travel insurance and got injured... they needed money for a parent to fly to him and to pay for treatment... a credit card or loan could cover that. Ditto to some hippy chick whose uninsure houseboat sank - she had the audacity to essentially beg for money on social media to buy a new one. The amount of money raised in either case (in the thousands) could save actual lives in Africa but instead goes to some infividual/family who ought to be able to sort themselves out or rely on loans from a bank/credit card or someone close to them.
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seems you missed the wealthy couple who crowdfunded their dogs vet bill they could easilt have paid themselves
 
So some people paid prostitutes for sex, well boo-*******-hoo. Isn't that the nature of their business? And besides, isn't that putting money back into the local economy?

Although I do have to wonder why there wasn't this much furore ~10 years back when it was found that UN troops from Sri Lanka were not only doing the same but also engaging in child rape and actively trafficking women and children from Haiti into the sex slave industry back home?
 
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