I thought that was the Thatcher and the Tories.
P & O Ferries
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I thought that was the Thatcher and the Tories.
I took a P&O ferry to Dublin from Liverpool in 2018 and back. I remember the ferry going there all the staff sounded French and on the ferry back they were all Southeast Asian so no idea where they were actually based or if they had UK employment contracts. One good thing though was we had 2 meals on the ferry home even though the ticket only stated one meal, ended up having breakfast and tea where as the ferry going only included breakfast. Winner.
Why do you think they went after the mines? The other industries killed themselves.
Because they stood up to the **** poor management in the first place. The car industry failed due to senior managers ******* it up the wall on fine lunches and total lack of investment in plant and infrastructure. Its well documented they treated all the staff like it was 1942 with the majority of managers living in the dark ages and the old boys club. Damm right the unions kicked back at it and yet Tory's would have you believe it's 100% the committee n man's fault.
Poor quality and bad workmanship based on production tools that was used in the war effort with management refusal to upgrade machinery. The maintenance budget was non existent.
By all means the unions were not squeaky clean at the end of it, but the refusal of management to make ANY change was the downfall of British motor manufacturing.
Let us not forget it was the Tories that destroyed British manufacturing as then wanted a service economy, hell they was only 2 days from closing down ICI in the NE the largest chemical plant that supplied the UK with countless materials all because of Tory ideology. They closed it all down and now we are paying 10times the price for external forces for anything. Thats the bloody disgrace of it all.
By all means the unions were not squeaky clean at the end of it, but the refusal of management to make ANY change was the downfall of British motor manufacturing.
Let us not forget it was the Tories that destroyed British manufacturing as then wanted a service economy, hell they was only 2 days from closing down ICI in the NE the largest chemical plant that supplied the UK with countless materials all because of Tory ideology. They closed it all down and now we are paying 10times the price for external forces for anything. Thats the bloody disgrace of it all.
I cannot remember what thread it was I read it, a member posting along the lines of being a lazy bum or go find a better job or they don't work hard enough...
BBC reporting some ferries are registered in Cyprus (not Jersey), and that it'll be Indians on the £1.81/hour wages.
Slightly unfortunate quote from the RMT in that context:
RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said P&O staff were "being replaced by exploited workers, vulnerable workers from overseas".
"We have no beef with those people. We want those people to be paid the wages that we've negotiated for in this country," he said.
Slightly unfortunate quote from the RMT in that context:
RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said P&O staff were "being replaced by exploited workers, vulnerable workers from overseas".
"We have no beef with those people. We want those people to be paid the wages that we've negotiated for in this country," he said.
Can't believe a ferry crossing isn't covered by at least one of the destinations employment laws.
Where do the workers go after their shift? Do these ships have staff accommodation like cruise liners because they won't be able to afford anything here.
Where do the workers go after their shift? Do these ships have staff accommodation like cruise liners because they won't be able to afford anything here.
I guess you could work it out by seeing where the workers were paying tax.
It is as you say wierd as wherever they are docked it will be quite expensive.
However, I thought the initial reports were that it was mainly agency staff from the UK. They were being bussed in? I'm guessing they are being paid at least minimum wage + fees to the agency. It wouldn't be a surprise if the RMT are stretching the truth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-60792999
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It's been a consistent and enduring problem in British industry that no one wants to pay to update machinery, or train/improve the capabilities of the staff, as you say since the 40's or so.
If anything it's got worse since the 80's and 90's as back then there were at least affordable/accessible courses run locally where people could try and "skill up" by doing them in the evening.
My father has all sorts of tales about the companies he worked for, including things like management preferring to shout at staff who made mistakes on order forms that were not fit for purpose and confusing rather than solve the core issues. One of the last straws at a job he had was the decision by management to pretty much do what P&O have done, they sacked all the experienced staff in one department, to replace them with 16 year old school leavers who didn't have any experience and got no training, because in theory it saved money as the hourly pay was much lower, except it didn't because they worked slower, made more mistakes and cost the company in those mistakes.
Decisions like that lead to it going bankrupt, and the assets/IP/name ending up in the hands of a German competitor with that did train staff, invest in equipment, and try to fix issues.
Unions have/had their own issues, but a good union working with management often solved more problems than they caused.
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Wasn't a well known company which starts with a H? one of my uncles worked for a company which did that but they were expected to train up their replacements until they got wind of it and most refused/walked - ended up costing the company dearly.
They've already said they are going to pay for the length of time that the consultation period should have taken place, so in a way they are right. If the decision has already been made, the employees don't lose anything being paid the 90-day consultation period in a single lump sum opposed to working for three months with the same result at the end (arguably the employees are in a better position as now they get 3 months wages up front, without having to actually work for it). This is assuming of course that the end result was inevitable.
Spot on.
Pretty much - They will just pay full notice and compulsory redundancy (maybe some extra)
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Imagine its just re-word, location is based from X, need to be X national due to tax - all just a play, even if the role is the same.