Pandemic 2.0?

Rroff · 23 May 2022 at 16:44

dowie said:
Yeah reported here:

Monkeypox outbreak linked to superspreader event at adult sauna

Health officials express concerns about transmission at summer festivals as people urged to watch for symptoms

www.telegraph.co.uk

Gay sauna in Spain and a gay fetish festival in Belgium seem to have been a link for several cases.

Hadn't seen that bit about Belgium reported but gossip going around about it a lot more lurid than as reported in the news and claiming it as ground zero. Supposedly based off someone's account on a Reddit linked Discord. I have no idea as to the authenticity but the snippets I've heard explain events better than what is in the news.

SexyGreyFox · 23 May 2022 at 19:19

lemonkettaz said:
Ha straight to conspiracy theorist.

So nothing has changed since the covid thread days, just typical 0 - 100 accusations.

Have a day off pal.

Don't you feel ashamed of the stuff you come out with?

Surveyor · 24 May 2022 at 00:55

dowie said:
I know, ergo why I said you could have “just” said that, it’s the other bit that I objected to.

I wasn't wrong though. Replying to one of your posts is waiting for the floodgates to open (see the Elon Must thread). Life's too short.

dowie · 24 May 2022 at 01:44

edit - no point

dowie · 24 May 2022 at 01:52

This is interesting in the context of Covid lockdowns, masks etc.. surely if this is mostly an STD then would it not make sense to shut down certain venues for a couple of weeks and advise people not to engage in certain activities?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1528446394821918721

^^^ "Expert" advises against it but then again plenty of "experts", at least in the west, ignored the precautionary principle and advised against masks, travel bans etc.

At the moment there are very few cases at all and contact tracing should be far far easier, lots of cases have seemingly come from some obvious venues so surely various transmission chains could be broken that way and with a low probability otherwise of any given infectious individual passing on the virus then you could maybe have a better shot at stubbing this thing out by acting early.

Rroff · 24 May 2022 at 02:01

People have a huge problem with abstaining from something temporarily for a better long term situation - I don't understand the mentality myself but I think a lot of it stems from people having no interest in the bigger picture and a desire not to take on anything which might cause them to have to consider being responsible. (Possibly with some fear that it won't be a temporary situation).

dowie · 24 May 2022 at 02:07

Yup, they do, see lockdowns/covid rules etc.. too. But you get a % of people complying, some sort of complying, others maybe ignoring it all (and perhaps higher compliance initially). Plus shutting down certain venues.

dowie · 24 May 2022 at 14:35

Daily Fail has gone with some *scary* stories today, while these risks perhaps exist I'm not sure how likely they are (?), the Mail does tend to like a bit of hype: Monkey pox could stay after being passed onto household pets or rats/mice. NHS could run out of specialist beds needed for Monkey Pox patients:

Monkeypox could become endemic in Europe if it spreads to PETS

European health chiefs have warned monkeypox, could become endemic to the Continent if it spreads from people to pet rodents like rats and mice which can carry the virus.

www.dailymail.co.uk

NHS only has room to treat up to FIFTY monkeypox patients at a time

EXCLUSIVE: Just 50 such beds for infectious diseases, such as monkeypox, are thought to exist across the UK, after capacity more than double during the pandemic.

www.dailymail.co.uk

On the other hand cases tripling isn't good, though still a small number and a less infectious disease with a bit of a lag so seemingly well within the realms of contact tracers being able to follow up on every known case and get others to isolate at least at the moment. that could be the key here, just good old contact tracing and isolation and this thing might be quashed.

UK records THIRTY-SEVEN more monkeypox cases

UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) bosses have now logged 57 cases in little over a fortnight. Boris Johnson today claimed it was important for No10 to 'keep an eye' on the situation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

arknor · 24 May 2022 at 14:56

they will probably rename it soon cos monkey implies racism or something woke like that

Chris Wilson · 24 May 2022 at 15:38

Festival Fever? Bendovah? Saunalism?

Rroff · 24 May 2022 at 16:24

dowie said:
Daily Fail has gone with some *scary* stories today, while these risks perhaps exist I'm not sure how likely they are (?), the Mail does tend to like a bit of hype: Monkey pox could stay after being passed onto household pets or rats/mice. NHS could run out of specialist beds needed for Monkey Pox patients:

Monkeypox could become endemic in Europe if it spreads to PETS

European health chiefs have warned monkeypox, could become endemic to the Continent if it spreads from people to pet rodents like rats and mice which can carry the virus.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Most likely it is a case of right place, right time for the disease as one suggestion is and won't become endemic in natural sources but could be complicated if it did.

dowie · 24 May 2022 at 16:39

Yup, I'd hope that the case too and it seems quite plausible given the apparent way it gets transmitted, obvs risk is there and they need to contact trace but hopefully should be able to end those few transmission chains and get control of it.

Malevolence · 24 May 2022 at 16:40

arknor said:
they will probably rename it soon cos monkey implies racism or something woke like that

Does that mean Warwick Davies will be popping up on the news channels to have a moan about smallpox too?

arknor · 24 May 2022 at 17:10

Malevolence said:
Does that mean Warwick Davies will be popping up on the news channels to have a moan about smallpox too?

peter andre might

Minusorange · 27 May 2022 at 16:37

Monkeypox patients should avoid pet contact

Gerbils, hamsters and other rodents could be particularly susceptible to the disease, warn experts.

www.bbc.co.uk

Berry Merjinik · 27 May 2022 at 16:45

Someone get Trump to say monkey please. pretty please.

Rroff · 28 May 2022 at 01:53

This one seems to be spreading in somewhat odd ways, there are some genetic changes to the virus compared to the more common strains but nothing which seems significant - I'm not going to be entirely dismissive of the idea that COVID has a role to play in this - though I don't think T cell exhaustion works in the way some are trying to connect it to this outbreak.

Jokester · 28 May 2022 at 09:21

I seem to remember early on in the outbreak that it was mentioned the people getting it were immuno-compromised. They’ve been quiet on that front since but have been heavily stressing this isn’t a sexual health issue or a new “gay plague” as the papers put it despite the news these were almost exclusively gay men turning up at sexual health clinics for investigation. So I wouldn’t be surprised if there is actually an HIV element to this, but they want to avoid the stigmatisation associated with it.

Overslop · 31 May 2022 at 10:20

arknor said:
they will probably rename it soon cos monkey implies racism or something woke like that

Coco Pops

arknor · 31 May 2022 at 11:31

Jokester said:
I seem to remember early on in the outbreak that it was mentioned the people getting it were immuno-compromised. They’ve been quiet on that front since but have been heavily stressing this isn’t a sexual health issue or a new “gay plague” as the papers put it despite the news these were almost exclusively gay men turning up at sexual health clinics for investigation. So I wouldn’t be surprised if there is actually an HIV element to this, but they want to avoid the stigmatisation associated with it.

sounds like a homophobic attitude I bet the same people who came up with that are scared of pink too