Parent and Child spaces

[Dogbreath]

When we were growing up my mum used to take me and my brother in a push chair to do the shopping. She managed to get us both on and off the bus and still manage to get us and the shopping back. No car involved and no blooming parent parking spaces - god we've become a bunch of ******* nowadays.

When I was growing up people tended to do many smaller shopping trips, often to local shops. Now with most local shops gone people go to a supermarket maybe once a week and buy everything they need until the next shop. I'd love to see you attempt to carry a weeks shopping for a familly of 4 or 5 whilst looking after a couple of children. You appear to be pretty much clueless about the realities of modern family life, but if you ever decide to have a familly you will see how wrong you really are.

I don't think it's anything to do with status / power or any such other affirmation it's entirely down to the fact that having parking spaces for a particular group in society is wrong.

It's all about equality and I think these kinds of things are wholly unfair.

Yeah, fancy those disabled scum getting their own parking spaces, completely unfair on able bodied people who have the use of their legs etc.

 

[4T5]

I vote Ban people from Supermarkets all together, That'll learn'em.

 

[J1nxy]

As an aside, is it any wonder there is such a preponderance of new laws being put on the books when, as this thread shows, it appears some people appear to lack any form of moral compass or social responsibility without something being 'illegal'?

Like, for example, people slowly realising (yay for the internet) that non-council parking tickets are difficult to enforce - well done, you got one over 'the system' - except in 2 years time, there *will* be a law making it illegal, because too many people decided that rather than take parking regulations in the spirit of what is intended, in other words enabling everyone a fair chance at parking, they can use a 'loophole' to abuse it for their own benefit and screw everyone else - and then are 'shocked' when a law comes it to close the 'loophole'.

No - it's not 'illegal' to park in P & C spaces, it's not enforceable and no, parents don't have a 'god-given right' to use them - but it does make their lives a damn sight easier. Just like if you are on a train, or a bus, you don't *have* to offer your seat to that little old lady, or that woman struggling with holding her child, or that guy with crutches and a cast on his ankle, or taking 10 seconds out of your commute to help someone with their heavy bag up the stairs instead of walking blindly on.

It's simply about showing a bit of compassion to your fellow human beings, its realising that for a very minor inconvenience to yourself, you can make a big difference to someone else's day by not being a selfish numpty and just being a decent person!

*end rant*

Good grief...some sanity has finally been expressed in this thread...

 

[Fr0dders]

8 pages?!

Why do some people find this so hard to understand? If you have small children, to get them out of a childseat you have to open the door a lot wider than a normal space will allow to comfortably get them out, and then walk across a busy car park with them either tugging at their parents hand or manouvering them in a buggy.

I dont find it hard to understand. As a parent of a 6 year old child ive been there.

However our local morrisons has 4 parent and child spaces. There are never any free unless you happen to drive in at the point somebody leaves

So how the hell do the other 20 or so shoppers with small children and pushchairs manage ?

Its not about a necessity, otherwise they'd all leave and wouldnt come back. Its about lazyness.

 

[Sagalout]

Well firstly if the kids were smashing the doors into the car parked next to them then why not put the child locks on and open them yourself? and I'm sure you left your insurance details for all the cars that your kids hit.

They didn't hit the doors because I used the parent and child spaces and got them out of the the car myself, but you have to open the door a lot wider to get a child out of a carseat, especially when they are very young and you have to remove the whole seat with them. They are now old enough to carefully get out of the car themselves.

.... them doing this not given a space 3 times bigger than Mars just incase. ......

As I have said numerous times the parking spaces around here are the same size as those that 'normal' people park in. So whats the advantage.

Eh? bit of a contradiction there? You're saying the spaces are 3 times the size of mars, but where you live they are no bigger? Every supermarket around here has extra width to the parent and child and disabled spaces. Thats why they are so useful.

Why do you feel the need to take your kids to the supermarket anyway? I've never understood this.

You're not allowed, tempting as it may be, to leave young children at home by themsleves

In town they use normal spaces, there are no parking spaces for child and parents yet I've never heard anyone complain about this - and yet it seems more parents use these paid for facilities. So why is it easier for parents to get into town than it is in a supermarket.

Do you mean street parking? If so theres no issue getting kids out of the back as cars are parked lengthways. I cant comment on NCP etc because there arent any around here.

 

[Sagalout]

I dont find it hard to understand. As a parent of a 6 year old child ive been there.

However our local morrisons has 4 parent and child spaces. There are never any free unless you happen to drive in at the point somebody leaves

So how the hell do the other 20 or so shoppers with small children and pushchairs manage ?

Its not about a necessity, otherwise they'd all leave and wouldnt come back. Its about lazyness.

If you drove in and one was free would you have used it?

 

[Fr0dders]

If you drove in and one was free would you have used it?

Yes

because they are easy and convenient.

But thats not to say i get annoyed if other people use them, or deem them a necessity.

I dont particularly care if people break the rules and park in them, the same way i dont see myself as the que police taking up 2 lanes to prevent people merging, or see myself as the speed police holding up the outside line of the motorway doing 70 and refusing to move over.

People brake rules, so what ?

after all, i have to use normal spaces half the time anyway. So what if on that particular ocassion i have to because someobdy without a child is parked in one. Makes no difference to me. Its just going to be the same as the other ocassions when they were taken up with genuine use.

 

[EddScott]

Last night, I had cause to visit our local Tesco and I parked in a P&C space. My daughter was with me who is 8 so as far as I'm concerned I can park there without feeling like I am being discourteous to other P&Cs.

Anyway, when we came out, a young lad drove past and parked in a P&C space - he was on his own with no child. He was driving one of the new Mustangs and must be some special edition as it was like the Eleanor mustang from Gone in 60 Seconds (the rubbish N. Cage one) I can only assume that this car was A) his most prized possession and B) the wrong side of £35K

I also watched a mother with a trolley loaded to the brim with shopping, juggle the trolley and the baby into the car. The winds have been terrible over the last few days and being in the a55 end of west wales its gale force. The trolley started to roll away from her. She caught it and stuggled like mad to get it under control. I was going to help but she seemed to get things under control.

The lad with the Mustang reversed out the P&C space and parked at the other end of the carpark. If you value your car, don't park in P&C spaces.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

..snip..

Then I apologise and withdraw my comment.

 

[[TW]Fox]

 

[Demon]

I dont find it hard to understand. As a parent of a 6 year old child ive been there.

However our local morrisons has 4 parent and child spaces. There are never any free unless you happen to drive in at the point somebody leaves

So how the hell do the other 20 or so shoppers with small children and pushchairs manage ?

Its not about a necessity, otherwise they'd all leave and wouldnt come back. Its about lazyness.

he didn't say it was a necessity? quite a few people are banging on about 'rights'/preferential treatment/necessity, but honestly is there anyone with children (yourself included) that is airing this view at all? it seems to be a made up assumption on a lot of people's behalf..

Lazy people exist with and without children, to label parents as lazy for using these spaces is ludicrous..


To be honest there are two things at play here

1. As a reasonably responsible parent who cares about my own posessions as well as others, and feels I have no rights over anyone else with/without kids, a lot of these comments and false generalisations do annoy, what can you present to back up these claims?
2. The bottom line is the spaces are there for whatever reason the supermarket deems them to, with a pretty straightforward qualifier for their intended use, if you don't qualify, you shouldn't use them, it's as simple as that..

Perhaps on the grounds of increased child pedestrian safety, the Government should just make it law, clearly as with the majority of disabled bay users who seemingly don't actually 'need' the use of the increased access/proximity to the store (from my own experience), making it law seems to diminish the claims of laziness and perceived right of use.

 

[Rotty]

Check out the little wooden posts when you next go by..



M.

last time I saw them all those posts were bent and damaged

 

[Rotty]

Or pregnant women, for whom there doesn't seem to be any provision. Mrs Asprilla can't get out of the car in most spaces because her bump is too big.

nah there's no need, her bump won't damge my car but a pushchair will but thanks for your consideration

 

[stockhausen]

It really @#*$'s me off when people without children park in these bays, it generally tends to be people with disabled badges who use these spaces ...

In my experience, it is usually retards with Chelsea Tractors and then only if they can't park in the "pick-up" zone right outside the door.

Keying is too good for them!

 

[[TW]Fox]

Why is somebody a retard if they chose to run a premium SUV?

 

[Fr0dders]

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2. The bottom line is the spaces are there for whatever reason the supermarket deems them to, with a pretty straightforward qualifier for their intended use, if you don't qualify, you shouldn't use them, it's as simple as that..

speed limits are also there for you to obey

yet i dont see people getting so heated and morally upright about that.

its blown out of all propotion. So what if people use them who arent supposed to.

 

[Demon]

speed limits are also there for you to obey

yet i dont see people getting so heated and morally upright about that.

its blown out of all propotion. So what if people use them who arent supposed to.

1. Society would quickly devolve if you apply this attitude to every situation in life
2. It could lead to some enforcement and yet more 'rules and regulations' that have to be put in place because people can't follow basic instruction unless forced to do so, and you can guarantee they will be the first to kick off about it too..

And I think you will find people who get caught speeding on here get very little sympathy.. so why should there suddenly be lots of sympathy for this?

 

[Locky]

Don't go to supermarkets when it's busy, you only get anoyed by other people

 

[Sam]

Ill park in these if theres any spare and often get people turning up there noses at me

Bothered, not in the slightest Bloody handy when its raining, saves me getting as wet lol

 

[merc190]

yep