Party support, why should it be for life?

As a seventies child growing up in North Nottinghamshire Mining town where both my grand-parents were miners, my dad a carpet fitter (who left when i was 7, not to worry he is **** anyway) and my mum a receptionist I guess you would call working class. I will never ever vote conservative.

I have done alright, through hard work, luck and being the right place at the right time etc, which has afforded me my own home, food on the table and a couple of hobbies to pursue and being able to see the world. (Engineering FTW). What i want is a balance between the two parties we seem have ended up with the UK. I do not really care if i am taxed a little more to support the NHS and help disabled folk.

I do dislike perpetual scroungers though, sure everyone can fall on bad times and they do deserve help but if folk can not get back on there feet after a couple of years then the system needs to change (illness aside) laziness should not be tolerated and as for single mums getting up the dough at 15 they should get nothing more than anyone else i.e front of the housing etc etc.

So yes, i think your upbringing does effect you to a certain degree it, but then when you get out in the world you find your natural state of mind through what you experience and what you read. So i am a bloody liberal which means its a waste of time currently so I generally vote labour. Which leads onto the entire system being utterly broken it is not the 1930`s anymore with the stupid boundary and first past the post system, this needs to change before we will get true representation and progressive policy`s in the UK.
 
It is pretty stupid the way some people treat it like supporting a football team or don't vote for party X because Y happened back in 19**. Rather more sensible to vote for policies, for the party whose leader you trust more (even though it is your local MP you're electing) and of course to vote for your local candidate.
 
i read the manifestos, i pick the one that sounds the best and vote for that one.

i think everyone should be doing that, even better would be if the manifesto's were anonymous and you voted based on the manifesto which is given a number or letter identifier and not the party name.
 
I find the abuse from lefties totally bizarre. In the run up to this election the amount of aggressive posts targeted at tories/Theresa May has been totally over the top and unnecessary.
 
I'll always vote Tory whilst I think they'll put the most cash in mine and my family's pockets, rather than bankrupt the country with flawed ideas they can't even quote the numbers for, Diane Abbott style.
 
Tone1979 said:
One thing that has come out of this election is that I have many friends who support a party because their parents do or because they like their policies.

This morning one of my closest friends really attacked me for my choice and it made me think. Is it expected that you follow a party for life? She brought up loads of stuff from the 70s and 80s which I don't think is relevent to today.

I mean, personally I have changed my alliance twice in my lifetime due to what was going on and what I felt was the right way to go at the time but I think this is rare.

How many of you have changed your allegiance over the years?

after Tony Blair I changed my mind, is that wrong?

Simply, and not meaning to sound like a **** but I follow what makes sense at the time and what works for the country.

Genuine question.
Tone
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Smart people take on new information and adjust their opinion and approach.

Mentally lazy people treat politics like a football team/identity and don't adjust their opinion when new information is presented to them.
 
Back in the day when working class people wore flat caps and had tin baths, yes I understand.

Now, no. Whilst the overall ideology is important, policies, for what they are worth change every manifesto.

Saying that I'm 40 and never once voted conservative cos blue is a boring colour.
 
Bassmansam said:
I find the abuse from lefties totally bizarre. In the run up to this election the amount of aggressive posts targeted at tories/Theresa May has been totally over the top and unnecessary.
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Maybe in your little bubble world, Cor-bin took far more flack than Mayhem.
 
Personally, will never vote Tory. After growing up in an area decimated by them in the 70/80s, seeing the damage done to lots of communities. My family has flourishe despite the Conservatives, not because of them.

Oh and working class still exist, theres just that much social pressure, to have the right house,car,phone, lifestyle that they survive on credit and live in denial.
 
Participant said:
I'll always vote Tory whilst I think they'll put the most cash in mine and my family's pockets, rather than bankrupt the country with flawed ideas they can't even quote the numbers for, Diane Abbott style.
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But of course that's what conservatism is....I'm alright jack keep your hands of my stack.

You'll quite happily pay less tax proportional to your income but still use the NHS....

And do this while nurses are using food banks...

That's the problem with society today....it's selfish.
 
I switched from voting Labour to Conservative a few years ago but haven't found reason to switch again yet. At different times in my life I'll want different things, and parties will change their policies too.
 
easyrider said:
Example?

Voting for a more fair society and reduced social divide is not selfish last time I looked ...
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Some people think the only Labour voters are those who want to quit work and live on hand-outs from the hard-working wealth creators state.
 
FoxEye said:
Some people think the only Labour voters are those who want to quit work and live on hand-outs from the hard-working wealth creators state.
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Well hence the mention of individuals - you'll find all sorts including those who haven't succeeded in life and think everyone should be dragged down to their level to make it "fair", etc. the further left you go it generally about equals up with the far right just from a different perspective.
 
Rroff said:
you'll find all sorts including those who haven't succeeded in life and think everyone should be dragged down to their level.
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Succeeded in life ?

What if that child was brought up in poverty...they had no choice in being born at any moment in time and in any region of the UK...they were trapped in this state by the bourgeoisie

That's the problem...if we eradicated child poverty in the first place...reduced social divide and promoted equality it would be better for everyone.
 
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