Pascal to get DXR

[wellibob]

Brexit aka our UK government or Nvidia. I don't know who's worse. Fickle times we live in.

 

[XeNoNF50]

Almost certain they're only enabling it to show consumers their card isn't enough and they should upgrade lol

 

[Gerard]

Almost certain they're only enabling it to show consumers their card isn't enough and they should upgrade lol

More than likely.

 

[mikeo]

Still would not induce me to buy an RTX card at the moment. I'll still be waiting for the next gen of Nvidia cards before considering an "upgrade".

 

[Wrinkly]

Brexit aka our UK government or Nvidia. I don't know who's worse. Fickle times we live in.

Perhaps it's the muppets that back them

 

[Skynet5]

It’s not hard to find a video in 4k with RT enabled...I know what RT looks like

For you yes. Plus others I'm sure.

But a large amount of customers will see that new DXR toggle and see the performance tank...and then upgrade.

Out of sight out of mind but the other way round. When it's there...as an option...I imagine it will net quite a few extra sales.

Not for me though!

 

[bru]

Well it will make the max settings argument a little more complicated.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Well, its not because their RTX cards aren't selling (according to Nvidia )

NVIDIA: Turing GPUs Have Sold 45% More Than Pascal In First Eight Weeks Of Revenue

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-turing-...-than-pascal-in-first-eight-weeks-of-revenue/

 

[Finners]

Well, its not because their RTX cards aren't selling (according to Nvidia )

NVIDIA: Turing GPUs Have Sold 45% More Than Pascal In First Eight Weeks Of Revenue

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-turing-...-than-pascal-in-first-eight-weeks-of-revenue/

Quick skim through of that makes me think Nvidia are counting the first 8 weeks of Pascal is when the titan x Pascal launched. That would have course be lower because at the time it was a halo product.

With Turing they released more of the product stack.

It's also revenue not profit so to play the forum banter game how many of those Turing cards have they had to replace because of space invaders

 

[NZXT30]

So no DLSS for pascal?

 

[nashathedog]

So no DLSS for pascal?

That would have been the more useful one out of the two but come on it's Nvidia we're talking about, there's not a chance in hell Nvidia are going to give last gen owners software that improves Pascal's performance and longevity.

 

[nashathedog]

Quick skim through of that makes me think Nvidia are counting the first 8 weeks of Pascal is when the titan x Pascal launched. That would have course be lower because at the time it was a halo product.

With Turing they released more of the product stack.

It's also revenue not profit so to play the forum banter game how many of those Turing cards have they had to replace because of space invaders

If it was doing that well we wouldn't be reading about the quarterly revenue ending this January being down 24% from a year ago seeing as the yearly revenue was up 21% The dip over the 3 months leading to January 2019 is presumably due to poor Turing sales.

• Quarterly revenue of $2.21 billion, down 24 percent from a year ago
• Record full-year revenue of $11.72 billion, up 21 percent from a year ago
• Record full-year revenue from Gaming, Datacenter, Professional Visualization and Automotive[

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/...al-results-for-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2019

 

[Distracted]

Indeed it is just a gimmick from NVidia that will probably do them more harm than good when people see older cards running at a snails pace.

Does this mean you'll soon have more work to do in the Port Royal thread?

 

[D.P.]

Quick skim through of that makes me think Nvidia are counting the first 8 weeks of Pascal is when the titan x Pascal launched. That would have course be lower because at the time it was a halo product.

With Turing they released more of the product stack.

It's also revenue not profit so to play the forum banter game how many of those Turing cards have they had to replace because of space invaders

No, Nvidia first released the 1080 and 1070, then the 1060, then the Titan X.

In fact, the Pascal Titan X wasn't even released within the first 8 weeks of Pascal launch.

 

[D.P.]

So no DLSS for pascal?

pascal doesn't have Tensor cores, so no.

 

[Nasher]

Well, its not because their RTX cards aren't selling (according to Nvidia )

NVIDIA: Turing GPUs Have Sold 45% More Than Pascal In First Eight Weeks Of Revenue

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-turing-...-than-pascal-in-first-eight-weeks-of-revenue/

Not sure Pascal sold that well either though. They had mountains of them left over when Turing launched. Manufacturers were sending back unused/unneeded chips at one point afaik.

 

[shankly1985]

pascal doesn't have Tensor cores, so no.

Never say never LOL not with the recent news around Ray Tracing demos and Nvidia.

Also VEGA 7 is said to get DirectML support by using hardware from the AMD GPU

In effect, this will allow developers to access hardware features like Nvidia's Tensor cores, just like how DXR enables developers to utilise Turing's RT cores. In the case of DirectML, the performance of AMD's Radeon VII could be used to deliver a "DLSS-like" effect, but using an approach that will work on Radeon hardware.

AMD's Adam Kozak stated that the (translated) "Radeon VII shows excellent results" when the company experimented with DirectML.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp..._supports_directml_-_an_alternative_to_dlss/1

 

[D.P.]

Never say never LOL not with the recent news around Ray Tracing demos and Nvidia.

Also VEGA 7 is said to get DirectML support by using hardware from the AMD GPU

In effect, this will allow developers to access hardware features like Nvidia's Tensor cores, just like how DXR enables developers to utilise Turing's RT cores. In the case of DirectML, the performance of AMD's Radeon VII could be used to deliver a "DLSS-like" effect, but using an approach that will work on Radeon hardware.

AMD's Adam Kozak stated that the (translated) "Radeon VII shows excellent results" when the company experimented with DirectML.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp..._supports_directml_-_an_alternative_to_dlss/1

The difference is Nvidia already developed ray tracing on Pascal and Volta GPUs long before Turing was ever released. It was actually that work which convinced Nvidia to develop dedicated hardware.

You absolutely can produce DLSS without tensor cores using standard compute. the problem comes back that the tensor cores perform this task 8x faster than using standard compute cores. Given the whole purpose is to improve performance this puts major restrictions on what could actually be achieved.

The other major issue is that if you use CUDA/Stream processors to do the DLSS, tyhen those cores are not computing the actual graphics sharers, so you get a slow down in your rendering pipeline. The advantage of using dedicated hardware is the CUDA cores are left to run as fast as possible.

This is the same reason why Nvidia use dedicated FP64, because if you fuse FP32 units together then you loose your single precision throughput while separate cores increases total throughput, ad the FP64 units can happily runs 32bit ops

 

[Finners]

No, Nvidia first released the 1080 and 1070, then the 1060, then the Titan X.

In fact, the Pascal Titan X wasn't even released within the first 8 weeks of Pascal launch.

Remember they release two titan x based on Pascal. The first came before the 1080ti which is known as the titan x Pascal or TitanP and then one later to better the 1080ti which is know as the titan Xp

 

[D.P.]

Remember they release two titan x based on Pascal. The first came before the 1080ti which is known as the titan x Pascal or TitanP and then one later to better the 1080ti which is know as the titan Xp

And all of which was a long time after the 1080 and 1070 were released.

The first Titan X wasn't even released within the first 8 weeks