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I don't think Pat is advocating materialism, nor is religion the Answer to Materialism.
hate to point out to any1 who thinks that Islam is the only blood thirsty and violent religion that Christianity is just as bad.
the crusades any1 remember those they were done in the name of god. now we look back and see that god was just an excuse. Same for Muslims those who want to go out and cause harm to others hide behind the religion using it as an excuse. None of this is the fault of the religion its the fault of those megalomaniacs who want power and wealth
the crusades any1 remember those they were done in the name of god. now we look back and see that god was just an excuse. Same for Muslims those who want to go out and cause harm to others hide behind the religion using it as an excuse. None of this is the fault of the religion its the fault of those megalomaniacs who want power and wealth
Common sense this guy has
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Hmm, so if I, as an outsider, say that women in Saudi Arabia (for instance) have less rights than men I would need to have read the Qu'ran to do so? Or could I just go on the fact that they don't.
Did you not read my post earlier? You cannot judge a religion based on the laws of a corrupt country.
about 80% of the Quran is about peace, good will and similar ideals and in one of his first sentences his goes on about how connecting muslims and violence is like connecting walt Disney and mickey mouse
if you read the bible it has anti homosexual ideals in there. also the church for a long time supported the idea that women were less valuable then men. it is unfair to single out Islam like this
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Well least most of the religions condemn it, (a few peeps from them are guilty I admit) hell look at some of the Arabs in Dubai etc :[. Democracy and capitalism on the other hand do anything but, why you think so many people are in debt as well as the countries? Ok, ok Pat isn't advocating directly but when people are given the freedom to do what they want it's leads to these sorts of things, destroying us and mother nature in progress, and you wonder why Islam is opposed?
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Must have missed that, apologies. However if a country represents itself as following Islamic teachings then it is easy to see why people can, and will, assume that it is actually following them.
For what it is worth I don't think Islam is as bad as all that and almost certainly doesn't deserve all the demonisation it gets because of a few pillocks who follow it but unfortunately nutters and bigots are often the loudest in proclaiming their opinions.
Question to icey_haj why don't we see muslims around the world showing disgust at attacks on innocent's by "extremists" if you are a religion of peace surely you would be condeming them and trying to find these people that are giving your religion a tainted view in the west
these people follow the laws as interpreted by people who could be classed at fanatics. there are Christians who think that sever punishments would better, there are even atheists who think that the would be better if we killed ever1 who committed murder or worse. surely you cant judge a religion by one persons/group of people interpretation.
dont we??????
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For all we know they do, but you know how the media likes to selective in what it shows
Technically if it applied to everyone it would also include all muslims rather than a fair few. It of course doesn't apply to everyone but then you seem to be quite able to do the whole generalisation thing that you accuse others of doing to muslims.
Why dont people in the west acknowledge that people do come out in disgust, a lot of us infact. Its just the fact that we arent media friendly with those views.Straight after 7th July pretty much all of mainstream islam came out against the extremists in this country, when british hostages have been taken in Iraq and Sudan havent Muslims gone out to help? did you ask all of Catholocism to apologise for the actions of the irish during the war? they preach as much together-ness as us pesky Muslims.
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No, you are right, I didn't mean give the impression I was judging an entire religion based on a single countries actions. I was simply pointing out that reading the Qu'ran wasn't necessary to get an impression of things that are distasteful about another countries practices, nor would I need to read it to know that they claim to do them because of Qu'ranic teachings.
However I will say that holding up another religion or group of people and saying that they are just as bad isn't a very sound basis for an argument, particularly not when you are referring to the Crusades or similar which have been over for several hundred years at this point.
Our society has moved on into a different era but not so long ago we used to imprison homosexuals and treat women as second class citizens. Muslim societies have not moved on as fast as we have, but instead of feeling smug about this, how about trying to lead by example.
You could easily look at our society and see a bunch of binge drinking chavs. But are you one of those? In the same way it is easy to look at Muslims and see a bunch of dangerous extremists and not the individuals involved.
It's human nature to stereotype people, unfortunatly it's also very dangerous.
You could easily look at our society and see a bunch of binge drinking chavs. But are you one of those? In the same way it is easy to look at Muslims and see a bunch of dangerous extremists and not the individuals involved.
It's human nature to stereotype people, unfortunatly it's also very dangerous.
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Isn't Sharia law with regards to inheritence biased towards men? Are there not more restrictions on women than there are on men?
If an Islamic system isn't a flawed justice system to live under why is it that most Islamic states seem to have flawed justice systems? Are they all getting it wrong?
They already did ages ago in a form of Islam that pre-dates pretty much all of the more extremist interpretations (Ibadism).
Yes but where the western world has watered down our faith and chopped out the bit we dont like anymore muslims have not. they have kept to there teaching and now people are starting to use that against them.