Payraise.. how much do you expect? how much did you get?

[d_brennen]

2.5% seems pretty nailed on, getting it backdated to April so a little Christmas bonus

 

[VRDoctor]

glad it's worked out for you

It's difficult making the jump, I get that. You need to be comfortable being uncomfortable.

The biggest secret in the corporate world/work is that 90% of people don't really know what they are doing, most of us are all just winging it

 

[nightwish]

It's difficult making the jump, I get that. You need to be comfortable being uncomfortable.

You really don't, if you don't want to. It's good to know when you've got enough. That can be incredibly liberating - being free of the constant pressure to move up. It's what some people live for of course, but for most, knowing when enough is enough is a hugely important piece of your personal journey.

The biggest secret in the corporate world/work is that 90% of people don't really know what they are doing, most of us are all just winging it

That explains a lot! (No offence intended!)

 

[Semple]

It is starting to get a bit worrying as government are raising minimum wage by huge chunks but employers are not. The middle is getting squeezed. Everything is becoming close to parity to the point we will end up with skill shortages because it is just better to work Monday to Friday stacking shelves in Tesco's than do anything else.

I am watching a local firm who I used to be a manager at. I still talk to a few of them on socials. Their staff have been on strike for a month now because they are not happy with their pay offer from April this year. Even if they get what they want minimum wage will be higher next April than what they are fighting for now!

When I was fresh out of school their machine ops were several pounds more than minimum wage but years of stagnation and 0% rises are coming home to roost.

Within the next decade my job will end up minimum wage. Then what happens when you got no HGV drivers because you are better off working some mundane job 9-5 Monday to Friday!?

It is okay saying I am okay but when undesirable jobs become critical because no one will do them like bin men, nurses, teachers, police, HGV drivers etc then the basics cease to function.

You're right about the middle getting squeezed the most, my other half works as a HCA Scrub and even though it's a skilled job its pay will now only be a few quid above NMW, compared to a decade ago it would have been closer to double NNW. It's gotten to the point where a lot of the staff are saying the few quid extra for the responsibility and stress is becoming less and less appealing. If NMW goes up another significant chunk in the next few years I can see a lot of people jacking in their jobs and going for the stress-free min wage jobs.

I know it shouldn't be a race to the bottom, but unfortunately companies have no real interest in keeping their previously-above-min-wage jobs the same gap above min wage.

 

[VRDoctor]

That explains a lot! (No offence intended!)

None taken - fake it 'til you make it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_it_till_you_make_it​

 

[VRDoctor]

You really don't, if you don't want to. It's good to know when you've got enough. That can be incredibly liberating - being free of the constant pressure to move up. It's what some people live for of course, but for most, knowing when enough is enough is a hugely important piece of your personal journey.

I 100% get this as well. I can't see me pushing beyond my current role - I'm exactly where I want(ed) to be.

 

[Stu999]

stress-free min wage jobs.

No minimum wage jobs are really "stress free". Try working with the numpty public all day and see how stress free it is.

 

[sprite1275]

24 grand a year for min wage is pretty awesome but I do agree it makes a lot of skilled work now undesirable. Saw a job at a hospital for a maintenance technician for about 25,000.
Needed to be a carpenter or sparky etc. but then you could be a porter for a little less money!
Other salaries are going to have to start going up.

 

[Monkeynut]

No minimum wage jobs are really "stress free". Try working with the numpty public all day and see how stress free it is.

My now-skilled job is less stressful than my previous supermarket job. Sooo much less.

 

[marcus_667]

sounds mental only pay rises i have got is by moving jobs. had 0 payrises staying places which sucks as i have loved some of the roles but equally i like money and the things it brings me

 

[A2Z]

Got offered 4.5% for this year, unions said no, we were going to strike, but there's a meeting tomorrow with hopefully a better offer so let's see.

 

[Richie]

Got offered 4.5% for this year, unions said no, we were going to strike, but there's a meeting tomorrow with hopefully a better offer so let's see.

Not sure whats wrong with a double the rate of inflation pay rise Or is it a case that all pay rises should be rejected that dont immediately reverse the wage depression over the last decade?

 

[Semple]

No minimum wage jobs are really "stress free". Try working with the numpty public all day and see how stress free it is.

Depends on your tolerance levels really. They're genuinely stress-free because they don't come with your typical responsibilities, nor having to meet deadlines etc. I remember my first job out of school was working in a warehouse picking orders. Physical work yes, stressful work no.

 

[dlockers]

Depends on your tolerance levels really. They're genuinely stress-free because they don't come with your typical responsibilities, nor having to meet deadlines etc. I remember my first job out of school was working in a warehouse picking orders. Physical work yes, stressful work no.

You must have missed the "pee in bottles to make targets" era of warehouses

 

[a1ex2001]

Not sure whats wrong with a double the rate of inflation pay rise Or is it a case that all pay rises should be rejected that dont immediately reverse the wage depression over the last decade?

That’s the current rate of inflation it has been much higher for a lot of the last 13 months. The lack of understanding of inflation is bonkers!

 

[Richie]

That’s the current rate of inflation it has been much higher for a lot of the last 13 months. The lack of understanding of inflation is bonkers!

Yes so if its currently 1.7% (September is last time we had the announcement so it may change very soon once October's is announced) that means that, prices have went up 1.7% over the last year.... How do you think it works?

 

[Skynet5]

Yes so if its currently 1.7% (September is last time we had the announcement so it may change very soon once October's is announced) that means that, prices have went up 1.7% over the last year.... How do you think it works?

This is what I thought too.
It’s always calculated for the last 12 months right?

 

[Malevolence]

Saw a job at a hospital for a maintenance technician for about 25,000.
Needed to be a carpenter or sparky etc. but then you could be a porter for a little less money!

Being a porter is a way better job anyway. And it isn't minimum wage either.

 

[EvilRob]

This is what I thought too.
It’s always calculated for the last 12 months right?

I think the point is inflation is at 20-25% since 2021. Many people have not had anything like this in pay rises over the last 3 years. 4.5% in this context isn't all that much. It's not bad though - probably better than a lot of places. Not sure why people would begrudge a union trying for more.

 

[A2Z]

Not sure whats wrong with a double the rate of inflation pay rise Or is it a case that all pay rises should be rejected that dont immediately reverse the wage depression over the last decade?

Double rate of inflation? No, it's just the rate of inflation, Feb RPI was 4.5%, so it's basically no pay rise at all really.

Not exactly, last decade we've got Feb RPI minimum (always been what our rises have been based on) each year, apart from last year when we only got 5.5% whilst inflation was 13.5%, so yes there is some making up to do I guess.

Power to the unions for fighting to ensure we get actual pay rises.