PC Gaming is Slowly Destroying Itself

The video is actually interesting, minus the click bait title.
Hes not even really talking about it dying, just that high-end GPUs for gaming are kind of becoming pointless.

Which I would agree with.
 
The video is actually interesting, minus the click bait title.
Hes not even really talking about it dying, just that high-end GPUs for gaming are kind of becoming pointless.

Which I would agree with.

I game on a Steam Deck pretty much exclusively now. So yeah, I'd agree with that one too :cry:

I'm more interested in Deck 2 (or maybe Legion Go 2), and whether that will have enough grunt to see me through 5 years, than I am in Nvidia's next generation of desktop cards.
 
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2025 could be a very good year. February alone sees the release of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, Civilization 7, Assassin's Creed Shadows, Avowed, Monster Hunter Wilds and Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii :eek: Beyond February, there are a bunch of huge titles which are supposed to release next year (e.g. GTAVI, Fable, Ghost of Yotai, Metroid Prime 4), though inevitably some will slip into 2026 (and there will also be some unannounced games which launch in 2025).

Not sure that list is a great argument for new/innovative games to be honest, while I'm certainly looking forward to KCD2 and Fable, of the 10 games you've listed there, Avowed is the only one which isn't just another iteration of an existing IP!

I game on a Steam Deck pretty much exclusively now. So yeah, I'd agree with that one too :cry:

I'm more interested in Deck 2 (or maybe Legion Go 2), and whether that will have enough grunt to see me through 5 years, than I am in Nvidia's next generation of desktop cards.

I love my Steam Deck, and it's certainly allowed me to get more game time in where I wouldn't have been able to previously, but you'll have to pry my M&KB out of my cold, dead hands :p

Definitely considering a gaming laptop over a desktop on my next "upgrade" though; while I would use it docked most of the time, there's a lot to be said for portability, and given I'm 2-3 years behind the "current" game cycle, I reckon something mid-high end should be more than adequate for my needs. As long as it can run 3440x1440 at ~100fps or higher I'll be happy - the only thing which really gives me pause is the noise levels vs a well cooled desktop.
 
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Not sure that list is a great argument for new/innovative games to be honest, while I'm certainly looking forward to KCD2 and Fable, of the 10 games you've listed there, Avowed is the only one which isn't just another iteration of an existing IP!

Avowed is an existing IP too :cry: It's basically the leap from The Witcher 1 to The Witcher 2/3 for the Pillars of Eternity franchise.

Definitely considering a gaming laptop over a desktop on my next "upgrade" though; while I would use it docked most of the time, there's a lot to be said for portability, and given I'm 2-3 years behind the "current" game cycle, I reckon something mid-high end should be more than adequate for my needs. As long as it can run 3440x1440 at ~100fps or higher I'll be happy - the only thing which really gives me pause is the noise levels vs a well cooled desktop.

I made this swap thinking it would give me one machine for everything.

But a gaming laptop is only "portable" in the sense of being easier to take from plug socket to plug socket. On battery it's just a bad bit of kit. Thick, heavy, battery only lasts 2-3 hours of low demand usage. Gaming on battery is not a good experience - all of the hardware is clocked down, so you need to reconfigure the game's settings to compensate. And then after you've done that, you get maybe 30-45 minutes of play time before the battery dies.

These days the laptop just sits on the desk unless I'm away for a night or more. Day-to-day I bring my Deck and an android tablet. They're both smaller, lighter, and offer better battery life. And if I didn't have the laptop already, I'd probably just make do with those while away too TBH.
 
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Avowed is an existing IP too :cry: It's basically the leap from The Witcher 1 to The Witcher 2/3 for the Pillars of Eternity franchise.

Hah, fair enough!
These days the laptop just sits on the desk unless I'm away for a night or more. Day-to-day I bring my Deck and an android tablet. They're both smaller, lighter, and offer better battery life. And if I didn't have the laptop already, I'd probably just make do with those while away too TBH.

To be fair, that's what I'd use it for - taking to mates houses for LAN etc. I could do the same with my desktop, but it's much easier (and safer) to chuck a laptop and mouse in a bag than a full tower and 34" monitor :p
 
Instead of saying PC gaming is being destroyed, it could be argued that it is turning into a very different animal than its roots. Some will like what it is evolving into, others not, or more likely will like some aspects and not others. Doesn't mean anyone is wrong. EG for me: From a MP point of view, pc was mainly public servers you could choose to join and favourite etc, i much preferred that aspect to pc gaming, but that has slowly evolved into something different.
I just think the content creators on youtube etc have finally figured out like 24 hour news, negative/angry content gets the most views/engagement as it provokes an emotional response from the viewer. This then makes companies take less risks and we end up where we are now. Hardware is overpriced when taken from a pure bill of materials cost vs what they are sold for but Nvidia have proven to their shareholders that the professional market are willing to pay those prices so nvidia probably have to justify to them its worth even having a gaming segment at this moment in time as they make so much money from the professional cards.

I dislike upscaling as much as anybody and don't know how anyone can say with a straight face it looks better than native at 1440p. I've not come across a single game that does. Now if you ask is the drop in image quality worth the uplift in performance? 9/10 the answer is yes.

As for posts you see around saying how they are playing that latest game 4K maxed out, with maximum this and that but DLSS perforemance, They're playing at 1080p... to me, suddenly a 2k GPU to play at 1080p doesn't sound so great.
I do "feel" hahaha that you have a really good point around the content creators, negative/content that gets most views/engagement. I also think that the opposite can happen too. Over stating how good something is. I find this in forums too. Emotions are heightened and opinion argues with opinion.

Games cost so much to create today, that i feel a new idea is too much of a gamble with a high cost game. They will play it safe, and copy and paste the current magic formula. Creativity at the high cost end if stiffled. Indies to the rescue :D The forum dynamic can result in major negative and positive hype for a game. Most recent case of this for me is Cyberpunk. Releases with some bugs, absolutely panned in youtube and forums. I pick it up and it's really not as bad as the "internet" makes out 7/10. I actually had to talk a couple of friends into trying it because they actively avoided it because the negative reaction was so strong. They also agree it was nothing like the internet made out. Fast forward a couple of years and there is an update for Cyberpunk, all of a sudden the hype is positive. Internet talking about, this is a major upgrade, it has transformed the rubbish into what it was always hyped to be etc... I play it, and honestly it 90% the same game with some QOL 8/10.
 
Most recent case of this for me is Cyberpunk. Releases with some bugs, absolutely panned in youtube and forums. I pick it up and it's really not as bad as the "internet" makes out 7/10. I actually had to talk a couple of friends into trying it because they actively avoided it because the negative reaction was so strong. They also agree it was nothing like the internet made out. Fast forward a couple of years and there is an update for Cyberpunk, all of a sudden the hype is positive. Internet talking about, this is a major upgrade, it has transformed the rubbish into what it was always hyped to be etc... I play it, and honestly it 90% the same game with some QOL 8/10.

Absolutely this, and like you say, it's purely down to hype. While obviously the devs have some responsibility for this (after all they're trying to sell the game!), a lot of it was people believing it would be the second coming, heralding a new dawn in the world of gaming as we know it.

I had the same experience as you - played at launch with no major bugs (except one gig which got stuck) and reasonable performance. Really enjoyed it - mostly for the setting and storyline, as the gameplay was nothing truly ground-breaking. Currently replaying through Phantom Liberty, and like you say, it's essentially the same game with a few tweaks.

Valve are clearly very aware of this phenomenon - which is why we've not had HL3 (and probably never will).
 
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HL3 is Valves ace in the hole, we wont hear of that until Valve is wobbling and needs to play its trump card and thats more than likely a long way off.
The amount of people who still game and car about HL3 must get smaller and smaller every year and will eventually be insignificant.

If I told my 13 old nephew today, "Have you heard. Valve are releasing HL3!" He wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about.
 
Yeah, don't agree with the sentiment that PC gaming is killing itself. Triple A publishers are killing themselves ( through greed and the eternal crusade for profit ), but the indie sector is strong as ever and PC/handhelds are gaining popularity.
 
just that high-end GPUs for gaming are kind of becoming pointless.

Which I would agree with.

How is that?
Games cost so much to create today, that i feel a new idea is too much of a gamble with a high cost game. They will play it safe, and copy and paste the current magic formula.

That's the usual excuse. They're unable to actually launch a finished product, so companies complaining about high costs is laughable.
 
The amount of people who still game and car about HL3 must get smaller and smaller every year and will eventually be insignificant.

If I told my 13 old nephew today, "Have you heard. Valve are releasing HL3!" He wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about.
Yeah but the average 13 year old is also easily swayed by peer pressure , hype trains and streamer influence. When Half Life 3 finally gets announced , like Oasis tickets, people who werent around for HL1 and 2 will flood to it because of peer/hype/influencers.
 
Yeah but the average 13 year old is also easily swayed by peer pressure , hype trains and streamer influence. When Half Life 3 finally gets announced , like Oasis tickets, people who werent around for HL1 and 2 will flood to it because of peer/hype/influencers.

Actually an article about generational difference today on Sky with games.

TLDR: Zoomers prefer live service stuff and in-game transaction dwarfed game sale ££.
 
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They could never top the boomers, they pretty much destroyed western civilization.
Give the zoomers time, the boomers (1946 to 1964) have been and in the past, we have the advantage of hindsight of their era, give it another 40 years and lets look back and see what the effect of the zoomers was and we can compare properly, but right now, I look at the average zoomer and I see an idiot who barely knows anything, is hardly capable of spelling properly, let alone any degree of reading comprehension and lacks the ability of critical or individual thought processes....but thats a topic for another thread :)
 
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With pc gaming I’ve accepted I’m not going have the latest and greatest as I would try to back up to the gtx 10 series days. And I’m a lot more happy about it rather than being constantly annoyed about the prices.

Bought a nice 2nd hand amd 5950x / RTX 3090 system for a price I could live and not bothered with what’s coming out next or how much it costs.
 
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