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PCGH asks Nvidia on Gameworks

He wouldn't need to (re)earn trust if he could stick to the truth in the first place.

Huddy is a highly visible PR mouthpiece for AMD, unfortunately for him and his (current lol) employer his reputation will be significantly tarnished by this. Especially as he was the one who made it into such a palaver in the first place with all the nonsense about calling out other companies. If you are going to play that game, you have to be 100% certain you are squeaky clean.
 
layte said:
He wouldn't need to (re)earn trust if he could stick to the truth in the first place.

Huddy is a highly visible PR mouthpiece for AMD, unfortunately for him and his (current lol) employer his reputation will be significantly tarnished by this. Especially as he was the one who made it into such a palaver in the first place with all the nonsense about calling out other companies. If you are going to play that game, you have to be 100% certain you are squeaky clean.
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We will all take it different but in real life if somebody admits there mistakes especially not long after they made them i see no reason to distrust but maybe trust them a little less.

Anyhow it's not like you can take anyone in the business as gospel.
 
layte said:
Which one is that?

The one where AMD do actually get access to game source code (just not gameworks) or something else?
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tommybhoy said:
Nvidia's Cem Cebenoyan:

Most developers don’t give you the source code. You don’t need source code of the game itself to do optimization for those games. AMD’s been saying for awhile that without access to the source code it’s impossible to optimize. That’s crazy.
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Nvidia's Andrew Burnes:

We are working closely with Crystal Dynamics to address and resolve all game issues as quickly as possible.

Please be advised that these issues cannot be completely resolved by an NVIDIA driver. The developer will need to make code changes on their end to fix the issues on GeForce GPUs
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http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...14-14-beta-drivers-released#comment-820105287

TR Patch 722.3 Notes:

We’ve been working closely with NVIDIA to address the issues experienced by some Tomb Raider players. In conjunction with this patch, NVIDIA will be releasing updated drivers that help to improve stability and performance of Tomb Raider on NVIDIA GeForce GPUs. We are continuing to work together to resolve any remaining outstanding issues. We recommend that GeForce users update to the latest GeForce 314.21 drivers (posting today) for the best experience in Tomb Raider.
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Game code including TFX code HAD to be adapted for it to work well on Nvidia.
 
TheRealDeal said:
We will all take it different but in real life if somebody admits there mistakes especially not long after they made them i see no reason to distrust but maybe trust them a little less.

Anyhow it's not like you can take anyone in the business as gospel.
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Hmm..

I think you have to draw a line between an honest mistake, and then straight out mistruths. Given how eager to trash Nvidia's rep I dont think he can be let off with a simpele 'oh well we all make mistakes'

Anyway, I'm enjoying watching certain people do their best to try and justify this. C'mon guys, if this had been Nvidia PR the guys with AMD sigs would have made half a dozen different threads by now. ;)
 
TheRealDeal said:
A man that admits his mistakes earns trust in my books.
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When _Alatar_ admitted he removed his 99fps Thief bench result because he was using some stuff that he felt might have been pushing the boundaries of what was allowed in the benchmark thread and replaced his entry with a lower scoring one a few people mentioned that this practice made it HARDER to trust him and his new score. took a while for that score to get added.

So has Cem Cebenoyan admitted to giving out incorrect information in an interview and then correcting his mistake outside of the interview in a smaller way that might not get mentioned as much as the original interview (for exampel the same person that posted the original interview didn't mention that Huddy had given out wrong information, someone else had to bring that to the forums attention)?
 
tommybhoy said:
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None of that stated they needed/had access to the source. All it said was they were working closely to optimise the game. What's more likely is that Nvidia profiled what was going on and made suggestions on what was required to fix the game. This is how things work. Many games require patches as well as Driver updates, but to think it requires the OEM to go through the source is crazy.

Unless you actually think AMD and Nvidia need/have access to full source code for all games... If so then lol.
 
layte said:
None of that stated they needed/had access to the source. All it said was they were working closely to optimise the game. What's more likely is that Nvidia profiled what was going on and made suggestions on what was required to fix the game. This is how things work

Unless you actually think AMD and Nvidia need/have access to full source code for all games... If so then lol.
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I had to read it three times to make sure I wasn't misreading it... lol.

Tommy that does not say that nVidia need access to the source code to optimise so there is no contradiction.

They optimised as far as they could their end and then asked the developer to implement a fix their end too. That's tangential at best to the point made in the first quote.

Embarrassing.
 
Seems tommy has a point though if correct , Are those statements about the same thing tommy ? or seperate statements at different times?
 
TR needed developer co-operation changing game code in conjunction with driver work for TR to run properly on Nvidia, which according to AMD they aren't getting dev co-operation on GW's titles.

Cem's comments that Nvidia/AMD don't need code changes to optimise as counter to huddy.

Which is the bottom line.

Semantics getting argued now, cue witch hunt on huddy, and Cem is word.
 
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No, no it's not about that.

You quite specifically had a quote about not needing source code to optimise. Nothing to do with requiring the game developer to implement a fix. Even so, that's nothing to do with needing the source code. It's not semantics it's entirely a different thing.

You do realise the step of asking the game developer to implement a fix is part and parcel of that process right?

tommybhoy said:
Cem's comments that Nvidia/AMD don't need code changes to optimise as counter to huddy..
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lol the quote by Cem doesn't say that. They say they don't need to see the SOURCE CODE.
 
Asking for code changes is how this works. Requiring access to source is not. Developers may work with OEM's but to think that requiring access to source code to be able to suggest fixes and optimisations is how this works is wrong.

Accept that Huddy lied. Trying to shift people's focus to Nvidia by trying to twist what somebody actually said into what you think they said is pretty sad. If the honour of your favourite hardware vendor really means that much perhaps you should take a step back and really decide if it's worth it old chap.
 
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