PCN - challengeable?

The_Arbiter said:
A different scenario, but local to me a bridge which was 50 mph got changed to 30mph on one side only pending structural bridge repairs. A mobile camera conveniently placed about 2 weeks later caught 500 odd people. In the end all 500 had their points and fines squashed and refunded. Whilst i never did find out why the signs were illegal, the police claimed a grace period for the signage change which wasn't true.

Might be something there, though depends on the effort you're willing to go to ultimately. Even when you know "they're" in the wrong, it's made so hard to get justice.
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A few years ago in my neck of the woods there was a road that was NSL. There was a downhill stretch then about 1/4 mile later it dropped to 30. Been this way since it was built.

One Sunday the council moved the 30 signs to halfway down the hill & Monday morning the local scamera pratnership had a van at the bottom.
Que the complaints and eventually all fines and points were quashed.

Council claimed that proper planning and consultation had been followed and signage was correct. Court found this not to be the case and actually found the required planning notices had been stapled to a tree, 35 yrd into the wooded area at the side of the road. They were forced to remove the new 30 signs and told to restart the entire process.
 
Hi there!
I just got caught by the exact same sign/camera! Wanted to check if you challenged it and it so what was the outcome?
 
Too late now, but what date did the alleged offence happen and when did the PCN arrive? While police generally issue FPN's promptly and in line with the legislation, local authorities are much worse at it. A good few years ago now I had a PCN from Havering alleging a no right turn violation, but because they didn't issue the PCN in line with the legislation - it arrived late, lied and blamed the DVLA, so I got the DVLA access records that showed Havering did not ask the DVLA for the information in time - they dropped it when it went to tribunal.
 
Resident said:
A few years ago in my neck of the woods there was a road that was NSL. There was a downhill stretch then about 1/4 mile later it dropped to 30. Been this way since it was built.

One Sunday the council moved the 30 signs to halfway down the hill & Monday morning the local scamera pratnership had a van at the bottom.
Que the complaints and eventually all fines and points were quashed.

Council claimed that proper planning and consultation had been followed and signage was correct. Court found this not to be the case and actually found the required planning notices had been stapled to a tree, 35 yrd into the wooded area at the side of the road. They were forced to remove the new 30 signs and told to restart the entire process.
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Our council extended a 30 leading to a village, but overlooked the fact it needs to apply to both lanes. So one direction had a 30 sign and the other still NSL :D I did see a van there a couple of times as well, not sure how that went down when the enviable appeals rolled in.

I'm sure there was an era when councils were actually good. But it's not this one. They just seem to outsource everything to the cheapest morons.
 
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I had all but forgotten/given up hope on this but my outcome from the tribunal came back the other day and it was successful due to the procedural error!
Now that this is over I still want to make a complaint to the council about the entire setup. In their supporting evidence that was sent to me it was admitted that this was installed because of the boy racers using the road at night so I guess that means they wont be removing it at all, however I still think it need vastly improving if its going to stay. To add to my point I was driving there the other week at night, noticed the signs were active and still saw one car enter and two cars exit in the few seconds I was driving past, all were presumably fined!

SonicSW20 said:
Too late now, but what date did the alleged offence happen and when did the PCN arrive? While police generally issue FPN's promptly and in line with the legislation, local authorities are much worse at it. A good few years ago now I had a PCN from Havering alleging a no right turn violation, but because they didn't issue the PCN in line with the legislation - it arrived late, lied and blamed the DVLA, so I got the DVLA access records that showed Havering did not ask the DVLA for the information in time - they dropped it when it went to tribunal.
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Happened mid Dec, got the letter about 3 weeks later, cutoff date is 28 days. Slow but legal!

wolfie138 said:
whinges about a PCN then admits he doesn't know the highway code.
hmm
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Well i definitely know now :D
 
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