Penryn

Gonzo0 · 12 Jul 2007 at 20:03

8igdave said:
I think ill jsut stick with a Q6600 overclocked to 3Ghz, i would suspect that will last me quite a long time?

How long do you think it would be till i needed to upgrade if i had a 3ghz Q6600?

A while i reckon, i believe penryn is just a 45nm version of conroe so it isnt a whole new architecture, its just a smaller, cooler running version of conroe

MumboJumbo · 12 Jul 2007 at 20:57

The thing is, peolple say, buy the 55 quid c2d and then upgrade and youve only lost 55 quid. But i doubt th q6600 will drop 55 quid. So i might as well just buy that as i doubt ill be able to afford the better ones (except the q6700, which is not worth it anyway)

Devious · 13 Jul 2007 at 07:05

8igdave said:
The thing is, peolple say, buy the 55 quid c2d and then upgrade and youve only lost 55 quid. But i doubt th q6600 will drop 55 quid. So i might as well just buy that as i doubt ill be able to afford the better ones (except the q6700, which is not worth it anyway)

Why do you lose £55 are E2160's non re-saleable ? Will I have to throw it away after

Im sure Ill get back all if not nearly all my £55.

MumboJumbo · 13 Jul 2007 at 13:25

I doubt you'd be able to sell it for to much. They only 55 quid brand new and id rather buy something new. Plus people have to pay for the postage and packaging duel to it being delicate etc so that means you gotta sell it for less.

But anyway, now i read about the AMD's coming out they seem pritty good. But could be all hype i gues.

Im just not sure if i spend the 170 quid on a Q6600 if 6 months or a year down the line its not going to be powerful enough to run games at the standard i want even if i overclock it to 3Ghz because games seem to be advancing fast now.

maddness · 13 Jul 2007 at 13:30

Devious said:
Why do you lose £55 are E2160's non re-saleable ? Will I have to throw it away after

Im sure Ill get back all if not nearly all my £55.

if it overclocks good then yeah you'll get your £55 or more :eek:

mine only does 3.33Ghz but runs alright actually
had it up to 3.51Ghz but not 100% stable

not bad as a stop gap, will be selling it shortly

stickroad · 13 Jul 2007 at 13:33

8igdave said:
Im just not sure if i spend the 170 quid on a Q6600 if 6 months or a year down the line its not going to be powerful enough to run games at the standard i want even if i overclock it to 3Ghz because games seem to be advancing fast now.

So you think in 6 months to a years time you will need a 8 core CPU? :confused:

Thats what your basically implying in your statement.

Quads arnt even needed now not for gamers. If Quads were still £300 and upwards the attitude would be totally diffrent i bet.

Vertigo · 13 Jul 2007 at 17:24

But if, in a year's time, quad-core support isn't the norm in most games then a 4Ghz+ dual could be a much better option than a 3Ghz quad for these applications.

Everyone's assuming everything will support quad-core soon yet how long have we had dual-core now and relatively little takes full advantage of both cores.

BAMBI · 13 Jul 2007 at 18:31

Last i heard Penryn and Yorkfield were due for launch in september! whats this talk about dec/jan??? dec/jan should be the launch of the Intel Socket B rendering all current mobos useless :eek:

stickroad · 13 Jul 2007 at 18:40

BAMBI said:
Last i heard Penryn and Yorkfield were due for launch in september! whats this talk about dec/jan??? dec/jan should be the launch of the Intel Socket B rendering all current mobos useless

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4295

BAMBI · 13 Jul 2007 at 18:45

stickroad said:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4295

hmm.. vrzone says mid 2008 for new sockets, i guess its too early to know exactly.

MumboJumbo · 13 Jul 2007 at 19:07

stickroad said:
So you think in 6 months to a years time you will need a 8 core CPU?

Thats what your basically implying in your statement.

Quads arnt even needed now not for gamers. If Quads were still £300 and upwards the attitude would be totally diffrent i bet.

I dont beleive i implyed that at all achualy. The new AMD quads and intels coming out will be running a lot faster then the first C2Q. Isn't the Penryn going to be over 3Ghz at stock?

You see, if games advance and take advantage of these fast speeds. I might be upgrading my Q6600 faster then i want to.

I was hoping it will last 2 years at least. But i dunno.

Also, as someone else said. IF they dont go into quads. Then id need a faster quad core to be able to run things off two of the cores. So that could cause me to have to upgrade even faster if i cant get the two cores to run fast enough.

Drazic · 14 Jul 2007 at 10:45

Penryn is the 45nm die srink of the same acrutechter as Conore/Yonna/Memrom

Penryn is the 45nm version of Memrom directly and only!

Thats a 479 pin laptop/htpc/media what ever you want cpu

The media has put such a big spoof on it all

So Penryn is Memrom but smaller die thats all

simonnance · 14 Jul 2007 at 11:49

ther are also a few minor "tweaks" to Penryn that *could* improve performance a little, however at the moment the difference looks to be mainly the higher clock speeds.

If Penryn doesnt overclock equaly as well as C2D, or hopefully better (which is possible given the 65nm rev A64's didnt OC much better than their 90nm rev brothers), then all you are getting is a cooler, more energy efficient core, with some very minor tweaks.

But if it overclocks like a beast... then hopefully we can get some amazing clocks!

MumboJumbo · 14 Jul 2007 at 15:22

wonder what you'd get with water cooling

.... but do you really need them clocking that fast?

I mean, right now. What do you think is the most you'd need for a CPU speed (duel or quad) to play current games.

NathanE · 14 Jul 2007 at 18:48

Drazic said:
Penryn is the 45nm die srink of the same acrutechter as Conore/Yonna/Memrom

Penryn is the 45nm version of Memrom directly and only!

Thats a 479 pin laptop/htpc/media what ever you want cpu

The media has put such a big spoof on it all

So Penryn is Memrom but smaller die thats all

Nah Penryn is more than just a carbon-copy die shrink. It has many logic tweaks and a few additional instructions...

Drazic · 14 Jul 2007 at 19:43

NathanE said:
Nah Penryn is more than just a carbon-copy die shrink. It has many logic tweaks and a few additional instructions...

Do you really want me to give you the list that i have here of whats been done to them!

Not that many new additional instructions in all honestly but lots has happened to it.

They are fast, they clock loads better, run lots cooler and less volts!

Penryn is a mobile cpu platform not a desktop unit

Had to flash my BIOS to get mine to run on an Asus bord so word of advice

NathanE · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:30

The addition of SSE4 instructions doesn't really strike me as fitting to the "So Penryn is Memrom but smaller die thats all" statement...

I don't think you have any list Drazic. We all know about your fantasy 'links' to Intel

Don't make me dig up the thread...

weescott · 15 Jul 2007 at 01:37

Drazic said:
Do you really want me to give you the list that i have here of whats been done to them!

No but a screen shot (of your own) would be nice.

Drazic · 15 Jul 2007 at 11:48

Once i get back home from being away on a demo ride i will sort it out!

Scotty i might have some as it goes! The rig has gone back but i think there still on the HD, just need to find my cable box to link it up

Corasik · 15 Jul 2007 at 13:12

Isnt Wolfdale the name for the Desktop 45nm 'Core' processor. Last I heard it had 6Meg L2 cache, 1333fsb, and intel are hoping it will scale up to 4ghz. Also it uses less power, with a 57 watt TDP. It also contains PNI (Penryn new instructions), and some re'optimizations in its decoders/pipeline to make it more efficient.

Conroe was available to the 'general' public before Merom, and no doubt Wolfdale will be out before Penryn.

But honestly, why be so picky... even intels own roadmaps are labeled 'Penryn family' encompasing mobile, desktop and server versions, even though the indevidual chips have their own unique codenames.