People selling clocked cars - busted! Update 2.

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With MOT checker available to all, how do people think they can get away with it?

I found a nice car with 60k miles on the clock but I did a mot check history on it and it lost 50k miles in 2013...

This is actually a trader/garage too. I messaged them and said car looks good for ages and low miles and they replied yes it is!

Its illegal to miss sell cars on something like mileage right?
 
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I'm wildly speculating, it could have failed at say 125k miles, after the 2012 MOT and before the 2013 MOT so the owner/a garage got a replacement second hand which had a wildly different and lower count on it, fitted it and didn't update it.

I had a failure on my mk2 Golf's instrument cluster and replaced it but I made sure the numbers matched the old one (I could have clocked it down from over 200k if I wanted) but that was mechanical so nice and simple to update. If it's electronic in any form it might well be difficult.

I'm not saying it isn't purposefully changed, just adding the possibility that it's just a case of a failed component being replaced with an incorrect value displayed. MOT testers aren't going to do much more than read the value on the dash and plug it into the computer and I doubt the DVSA care enough to flag it as looking dodgy at the time of the test.

I agree but a trade dealer can't advertise the car as 63k miles because it was already on 121k in 2012 surely?
 
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it is very easy to alter electronic mileage but trust me you would never get a clean adjustment modern cars store mileages in virtually all ecus whether engine abs or even airbags. in the original posters case the clock has probably been replaced but even a half hearted check would find the discrepancy, and yes its against the law for the trader to sell it with the lower mileage once pointed out without a major note on the advert telling people about the mileage.

i think early galaxys went through problems with the gauges going faulty under warranty and the new clocks were replaced but with zero on the clocks, also renault scenics etc . always had to have a note in the service book to the effect of the change.

as regards the imported vehicles yes very common , you would have the mileage corrected to the nearest figure because it would be in kilometres, being converted .

until the law is changed in the uk it is not illegal for someone to change the mileage on a vehicle it is illegal to sell the vehicle with a lower mileage without notifying prospective buyers.

i believe it is something to do with profiting from the mileage being changed.

i had a lengthy chat with a trading standards officer about this when i place a old nissan primera on a friends car sales pitch to sell ,he found a discrepancy with one of the cars and wanted them all checked accused me of clocking said primera....lol i told him it had 199thousand miles on the clock with full service history if i was so minded to clock it why would i leave it so high still took him 2 days to release it after checking (jobsworth).

again had a customer looking for a car spotted on a local forecourt he did a check and found mileage had been altered , told the garage they didnt seem bothered.
he reported it to trading standards and the car sprouted a mileage cannot be verified sticker.

not too sure if they can still use those now but used to be all the rage :)

With the imported car it had a double haircut, converted from km to miles, and then converted the miles number into miles again by the same ratio as if it was km to miles...to the exact mile/km...
 
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Why not message them and mention the MOT history - see if the sale advert gets pulled / updated with the correct info or if it's still live in a few days with the wrong mileage.

They may well be the victim as well - sold a car with a dodgy history and don't know about the past.

Theres s lot of car clocking and mis sales in oldham where I live.

Id rather they just be arrested tbh.

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If it's an MR2 turbo (I recall OP was looking at them) it could well have only done 1-2k a year as it's an older and very much a second car and probably only driven on sunny days so I wouldn't jump to conclusions on the short mileage between MOTs, the issue is the mileage dropping 60k. If it were a boring car that would usually get used every day then yes, 1-2k a year would be worrying but in this instance I don't think that aspect is an issue at all.

Its a skyline r33 gtst.

Yeah the 60k mileage drop is a big of a stinger when someone has to take a hit on the car being 130k miles not 60k...
 
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Given how trivial it is to check MOT history (literally public website with no login required or anything) these days you could argue a dealer who doesn't undertake those most basic of steps is missing a trick. They could be saying to whomever sold them the car, look guys it's got a dodgy history, I'm going to struggle to shift this so you'll have to knock £xxx off the price. I'm not that naive to think dealers spend hours picking over the history of every p/x that comes their way in the way that a private buyer would, but it's literally a 30s job. Presumably something like a Nissan Skyline is going to be attracting a more specialist type of buyer anyway who might be interested in the history, compared to a clapped out Fiesta or whatever?

Well yeah and the average price for a gtst is about 8k so then selling for 13k is based upon condition/low miles...but as i say one with 130k miles is probably worth 7k or less...
 
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I just thought as well, if a new car has a blocker installed, its unlikely the car will be serviced regularly enough unless the person gets the car serviced privately with no receipts, and then takes it in for the dealer service and its stamp once the odometer "finally" reads the correct mileage for the manufacturers interval.

I bet there are some poor cars out there with 30,000 miles on the original oil and filter, which are yet to have their 10,000 mile service or whatever. I bet those engines look looooovely inside. :p

If they are cheapish out by buying one if these machines, I dint thibk.an on time service will be top of their priority list as they will have sold the car by the time its smoking at 60k
 
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