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BTW, the 530i is considerably more powerful than the 530d?? Really? I was under the impression they were comparable.

Yes - the current 530i has 272bhp, it is almost as powerful as the 535d let alone the 530d. With the E39, the 530i was 231bhp compared with 193bhp from the facelift 530d. For a brief period with the introduction of the E60 both 530i and 530d were 231bhp.
 
[TW]Fox;14056398 said:
The residuals thing is a shame - its an effect of the British publics obsession with buying diesel.

Take the current 530i for example. It is a remarkable peice of engineering. It gets 40mpg COMBINED, it has LOWER company car tax banding than the 530d, it has low CO2 emissions and it is considerably more powerful than the diesel.

But...

Nobody cares. Dealers don't have them on the demonstrator fleet, people do not order them, there is just a single 530i M Sport LCI on the BMW Approved site right this second. People walk in and order the diesel. They don't even KNOW how good the petrol model is, they dont know what its combined MPG is and they dont know that it would cost them less company car tax. They've been brainwashed into thinking diesel = cheap so they order the diesel without a moments thought.

A real shame.

And finding a manual LCI 330i/530i M Sport is going to be a complete nuisance when I replace my car.

Sigh.

LCI?

Just out of interest will you be considering any other cars or will it be another 530i or 330i (although in the newer shape and model I assume?).
 
LCI?

Just out of interest will you be considering any other cars or will it be another 530i or 330i (although in the newer shape and model I assume?).

It'll probably be another. In an ideal world I'd have something like an M5 but I've got different priorities now and am not in a rush to blow thousands and thousands on a new car ASAP as I once was. I'll replace the 530 in a couple of years with something worthy that I can keep for another 5 years.
 
[TW]Fox;14056457 said:
Please check your figures - these are not correct.

Just realised after reading your post - parkers lists 3 different BHP outputs for the 530i - 231, 254 and 268...My bad

Are these options or is only the latter current?
 
Only the latter is current. The 231bhp figure is the M54B30 engine found in the 2000-2003 E39 and the 2003-2005 E60. It was replaced by the N52B30 in 2005, which was initially 254bhp and from 2007, 268bhp (Not 272bhp as I wrongly stated above).
 
[TW]Fox;14056467 said:
It'll probably be another. In an ideal world I'd have something like an M5 but I've got different priorities now and am not in a rush to blow thousands and thousands on a new car ASAP as I once was. I'll replace the 530 in a couple of years with something worthy that I can keep for another 5 years.

535i? Or does that have the running costs of an M5? Not fancy something non-BMW or not as fast or as big (I assume with you being a student, and parents having a 530d you don't really 'need' a big car and could get away with a 3/Mondeo?).
 
535i? Or does that have the running costs of an M5? Not fancy something non-BMW or not as fast or as big (I assume with you being a student, and parents having a 530d you don't really 'need' a big car and could get away with a 3/Mondeo?).

Unfortunately they don't do a 535i (The last was the E39 535i V8) in this country. The Americans get one, though. I don't want a Mondeo, I've done that. I'd consider a facelift 330i M Sport, though. I didn't buy the 5 because I needed the space, it just happened to come with the space.

I finish Uni this Summer so will have an actual proper life when I change car again in the future and the girlfriend will murder me if this happens before I move out and thus lose use of the 530d anyway :p
 
They also list 2 figures for the 530d - 214 and 231, so the final comparison is 268 compared to 231?

No idea where 214bhp comes from - the E60 530d is currently and has always been 231bhp (Although a newer 245bhp variant of this engine exists it hasnt yet made its way into the 5.. not sure why)>
 
BTW, the 530i is considerably more powerful than the 530d?? Really? I was under the impression they were comparable.

530i is 272bhp and 320nm.
530d is 235bhp and 500nm.

Most people buy the diesel version because it such a good car. The petrol engine is really nice but that makes very little difference if you not stiring a gearstick. The extra low down torque of the diesel also suits the auto box very well(90mph is just a tad over 2000rpm so very relaxed). For the extra price of the diesel it is a no brainer to go for it for most people even though the fuel savings may not be massive in a lot of cases.
 
[TW]Fox;14056226 said:
I was doing 100 miles a day at one point in my 530 during the first year I had it.

We actually drove both the 530d and the 530i back from the Midlands on Sunday in convoy, the 530i returned 36.7mpg and the 530d 42.9mpg. Over 200 miles, this works out as:

£21.80 in the diesel
£23.25 in the petrol

Epic diesel savings there. Then one day the turbo will explode and cost a grand to fix.

Don't get me wrong, I like the 530d. It is a brilliant car, the engine is fantastic, the power delivery is good and its reasonably economical. But it was CONSIDERABLY more expensive than the equivilent 530i, it is a considerably more complex engine which can only become more of an issue as it gets older, it isn't as fun to drive as the 530i, it isn't as quick and it isnt really any cheaper to run.

Frankly if they are so close when we are looking at one of the best diesel engines ever made (I beleive it was engine of the year throughout most of its production life and it's the same basic block thats still in use today) then I can't see it being anything other than worse for the diesel when we look at some of the more nasty, noisy and agricultural engines such as the 4 bangers found in Golfs etc.

How about around town?

How much more is a 530d than a 530i?
 
How about around town?

530i does 20-22mpg, 530d does 27-29mpg. But you don't tend to do 20k miles a year around town, the very nature of short trips in town is that the overall mileage is pretty low so the different in overall fuel costs remains pretty small.

How much more is a 530d than a 530i?

E39 wise? About a grand-1500ish now I think.
 
[TW]Fox;14056519 said:
Unfortunately they don't do a 535i (The last was the E39 535i V8) in this country. The Americans get one, though. I don't want a Mondeo, I've done that. I'd consider a facelift 330i M Sport, though. I didn't buy the 5 because I needed the space, it just happened to come with the space.

I finish Uni this Summer so will have an actual proper life when I change car again in the future and the girlfriend will murder me if this happens before I move out and thus lose use of the 530d anyway :p

Ah my bad, I know they do a 335i and just assumed it was in the 5 as well. Would an M3 not be a good mix?

Why did you get a 530i over a 330i then as isn't the 330i slightly quicker, and basically the same car just slightly smaller?
 
[TW]Fox;14056524 said:
No idea where 214bhp comes from - the E60 530d is currently and has always been 231bhp (Although a newer 245bhp variant of this engine exists it hasnt yet made its way into the 5.. not sure why)>

Parkers arent exactly known for being the most accurate reference - just looked there because its easy...
 
[TW]Fox;14056524 said:
No idea where 214bhp comes from - the E60 530d is currently and has always been 231bhp (Although a newer 245bhp variant of this engine exists it hasnt yet made its way into the 5.. not sure why)>

parkers being typicall useless
 
[TW]Fox;14056524 said:
No idea where 214bhp comes from - the E60 530d is currently and has always been 231bhp (Although a newer 245bhp variant of this engine exists it hasnt yet made its way into the 5.. not sure why)>

It was upped to 235bhp in the LCI cars. The alloy block 245bhp version is not going into the current 5 but will be one of the launch engines for the F10.
 
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