The 530d is about £360 more for the derv.
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The 530d is about £360 more for the derv.
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I was doing 100 miles a day at one point in my 530 during the first year I had it.
We actually drove both the 530d and the 530i back from the Midlands on Sunday in convoy, the 530i returned 36.7mpg and the 530d 42.9mpg. Over 200 miles, this works out as:
£21.80 in the diesel
£23.25 in the petrol
Epic diesel savings there. Then one day the turbo will explode and cost a grand to fix.
Don't get me wrong, I like the 530d. It is a brilliant car, the engine is fantastic, the power delivery is good and its reasonably economical. But it was CONSIDERABLY more expensive than the equivilent 530i, it is a considerably more complex engine which can only become more of an issue as it gets older, it isn't as fun to drive as the 530i, it isn't as quick and it isnt really any cheaper to run.
Frankly if they are so close when we are looking at one of the best diesel engines ever made (I beleive it was engine of the year throughout most of its production life and it's the same basic block thats still in use today) then I can't see it being anything other than worse for the diesel when we look at some of the more nasty, noisy and agricultural engines such as the 4 bangers found in Golfs etc.
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[TW]Fox;14056226 said:
They're both BMW's, so one day something will break on 'em both and cost a grand (or more) to fix.
i have 272lb/ft of torque @ 2700rpm
but i still dont need to drink from the black pump. Whats your excuse
I don't buy brand new cars so I'm not talking about the list price of a brand new car. When I bought my car, an identical age/specification/mileage 530d Sport was about £3000 more expensive.
My car was bought at 4 years old, my Dads was 2 years old. If I was spending £35k on a car it wouldnt be a new BMW 530.
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I think Fox meant his families cars which were both bought second hand IIRC.
If so, this reminds us that from the word go the petrol car will lose money faster than it's diesel sibling.
Sidenote: If it is a difference of only £360, then isn't that on a purchase prices of around £30k?
i have 272lb/ft of torque @ 2700rpm
but i still dont need to drink from the black pump. Whats your excuse
246lb/ft at some number of rpm, not sure what
I may get smelly hands when I fill up, but I dont need to visit very often
They're both BMW's, so one day something will break on 'em both and cost a grand (or more) to fix.
True but most of the other stuff that breaks is common to both so you'd be likely to have the same bill on both. Whereas only the diesel has 6 high pressure commonrail injectors and a turbocharger.
True, the diesels dont have disposable cooling systems but given that costs the same to replace as the ridiculously failure prone pre-supply fuel pump on the diesel we'll call that one evens
246lb/ft at some number of rpm, not sure what
I may get smelly hands when I fill up, but I dont need to visit very often
i'll swap you an extra trip to shell every month for this exhaust note
Well again this is slightly misleading because as the cars depreciate the gap closes - you don't get the entire initial outlay back. 15% of £10k is more than, say, 15% of £5k..
So only buy a derv if you're buying new?
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[TW]Fox;14056342 said:True but most of the other stuff that breaks is common to both so you'd be likely to have the same bill on both. Whereas only the diesel has 6 high pressure commonrail injectors and a turbocharger.
True, the diesels dont have disposable cooling systems but given that costs the same to replace as the ridiculously failure prone pre-supply fuel pump on the diesel we'll call that one evens
We're getting a bit model specific on this argument, but in reply if you took out the excellent BMW warranty then these weak points would be removed from the equation.
The residuals thing is a shame - its an effect of the British publics obsession with buying diesel.
Take the current 530i for example. It is a remarkable peice of engineering. It gets 40mpg COMBINED, it has LOWER company car tax banding than the 530d, it has low CO2 emissions and it is considerably more powerful than the diesel.
But...
Nobody cares. Dealers don't have them on the demonstrator fleet, people do not order them, there is just a single 530i M Sport LCI on the BMW Approved site right this second. People walk in and order the diesel. They don't even KNOW how good the petrol model is, they dont know what its combined MPG is and they dont know that it would cost them less company car tax. They've been brainwashed into thinking diesel = cheap so they order the diesel without a moments thought.
A real shame.
And finding a manual LCI 330i/530i M Sport is going to be a complete nuisance when I replace my car.
Sigh.
Take the current 530i for example. It is a remarkable peice of engineering. It gets 40mpg COMBINED, it has LOWER company car tax banding than the 530d, it has low CO2 emissions and it is considerably more powerful than the diesel.
But...
Nobody cares. Dealers don't have them on the demonstrator fleet, people do not order them, there is just a single 530i M Sport LCI on the BMW Approved site right this second. People walk in and order the diesel. They don't even KNOW how good the petrol model is, they dont know what its combined MPG is and they dont know that it would cost them less company car tax. They've been brainwashed into thinking diesel = cheap so they order the diesel without a moments thought.
A real shame.
And finding a manual LCI 330i/530i M Sport is going to be a complete nuisance when I replace my car.
Sigh.
i'll swap you an extra trip to shell every month for this exhaust note
That is the main thing I miss about my Alfa - the noise often made me accidentally everywhere. Would be interesting to hear what yours is like from within the car...
And you'd then pay nearly £1000 a year for the privilage. We would, therefore, have paid a total of £4000 since buying the 530d in warranty costs alone. Just had the renewal invitation through for the Z4 - £870 for the zero excess comprehensive policy. Bargain, I think not.
Could buy 4 turbos for that.
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The thing is though, it's a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it?[TW]Fox;14056398 said:
Most people want the Diesel because they believe it will cost them less in the long run, this creates more demand for the used diesel cars which in turn keeps their prices artificially high.
BTW, the 530i is considerably more powerful than the 530d?? Really? I was under the impression they were comparable.
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