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superste2201 said:
Except the 1055T is multiplier locked, so is hard to overclock and you do not have as much control.

And, although what you say is true, AMD sort processors by binning.

Some 1055T's will not be able to run at 3.5ghz and will be highly unlikely to overclock to 4ghz. The 970T unlocked will always be able to run at 3.5ghz and will, more than likely, OC to over 4ghz on air.

Even if the 1055T had 3.5ghz stock, the unlocked multiplier is still worth the extra £10 and is what a lot of people prefer. Just look at the i5 2500k and 2500.
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If we are being technical about it a CPU overclocked by multiplier would be slower than a CPU with a higher FSB, so assuming both chips will go to 4GHz only, then the 1055t will be faster, again assuming you only overclock the 970t or 1100t using the multiplier...
 
Someone said:
There's a link on page 2 to a thread on Hard Forum which is 13 pages long all about msi boards dying with 6 core cpus installed with a number of pictures of the damage done when the board goes & some people reporting that it took their cpu with it.
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Well that coupled with the crap PSU he has, coupled with the Leadtek GeForce 9800 GX2 which he has probsbly bought against the advice of everybody he asked in his other thread, can only lead to one thing......................

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Judging by all of the threads combined then,

ZZZAC has

--got hold of this mobo, known for stability and power issues.

--Has got a 970T and plans to unlock and overclock, on a stock cooler (noted in another thread)

--Has an icute 850W PSU

--Is thinking of getting a 9800GX2 from the B grade section on OCUK

Its a fire waiting to happen surely?


edit: beaten to it :D
 
superste2201 said:
Well hexacores get locked either because they have a fault and will probably not unlock and be stable or to supply demand. They are binned differently to the classic quality method.
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1055T are generally multiplier locked to supply a demand at a price and yes they may not be the high grade silicon of a 1090T or 1100T. A percentage of all output will be multiplier locked to satisfy the market.
Cores are locked through faults in one or two cores ie the 970T, the multiplier lock though is to limit all the cores to a specific load. I have not personally known a 1055T on an 800 series chipset with good power and CPU cooling not exceed 3.5GHz or 25% overclock using bus clock only
 
thing is though, manufacturers don't lock their best silicon in things like the 970T, that would be an utterly pointless exercise, so by default its really unlikely the 970T will be cherry picked cores or else they would be used as standard X6. chances are it'll unlock but won't clock any better than a 1055T, which not to sound funny are far from difficult to overclock and get great results most of the time, not sure what is giving folks the idea they are hard to overclock. been using FSB clocking since I first overclocked a processor, with some pretty good results so its really not difficult, its all about sourcing the best components for the task, motherboards that are known to support very high FSB frequencies, this board I use goes upto something frankly stupid like 511 FSB, though my processor won't do it without multiplier reduced.

still failing to understand why the 970T is such a bargain and why all advice to simple save himself the unknowns and go with a 1055T was shunned, also like mentioned above the bus overclocked processor will be faster than the multiplier overclocked chips, so when the 970T might clock to 4.2GHZ it might be no faster than a 1055T clocked at 4.0GHZ, hell might even be slower! cannot fathom why the dude has purchased a motherboard that isn't equipped to handle X6 processors as well, again shunning advice against it, starting to think either A) he is utterly taking the biscuit and nothing he says is serious, just trying to be a joker, B) he has no clue about what he is doing, in the slightest or C) he actually thinks that by purchasing a 970T and he is somehow going to get a X6 that is faster than standard X6, personally hate seeing people mess up builds.

best mate bought system off the shelf (bad idea) while back, it was claimed to be a 'hardcore gaming system', it has an ATI X1600 Pro for crying out loud, a Pro! the only reason is touted as being a gaming system is because that X1600 has 1024MB VRAM, which apparently automatically makes it better in games, advised him against the purchase but got it anyway, it can't play anything really. so like these 970T which are guaranteed to do this or that, might be too good to be true, just like my mates 'gaming' system, he did no research, took no advice and got shafted. so I stand by my original thought of to hell with the 970T (and all the unknowns) and just get a 1055T, a decent motherboard and a better power supply. maybe we might get a 'OMFG my systemz has just sploded..!' or 'WTF?! my 970T BLCK ED wn't clck past 3.4GHZ...!'. ;)
 
Gashman said:
thing is though, manufacturers don't lock their best silicon in things like the 970T, that would be an utterly pointless exercise, so by default its really unlikely the 970T will be cherry picked cores or else they would be used as standard X6. chances are it'll unlock but won't clock any better than a 1055T, which not to sound funny are far from difficult to overclock and get great results most of the time, not sure what is giving folks the idea they are hard to overclock. been using FSB clocking since I first overclocked a processor, with some pretty good results so its really not difficult, its all about sourcing the best components for the task, motherboards that are known to support very high FSB frequencies, this board I use goes upto something frankly stupid like 511 FSB, though my processor won't do it without multiplier reduced.

still failing to understand why the 970T is such a bargain and why all advice to simple save himself the unknowns and go with a 1055T was shunned, also like mentioned above the bus overclocked processor will be faster than the multiplier overclocked chips, so when the 970T might clock to 4.2GHZ it might be no faster than a 1055T clocked at 4.0GHZ, hell might even be slower! cannot fathom why the dude has purchased a motherboard that isn't equipped to handle X6 processors as well, again shunning advice against it, starting to think either A) he is utterly taking the biscuit and nothing he says is serious, just trying to be a joker, B) he has no clue about what he is doing, in the slightest or C) he actually thinks that by purchasing a 970T and he is somehow going to get a X6 that is faster than standard X6, personally hate seeing people mess up builds.

best mate bought system off the shelf (bad idea) while back, it was claimed to be a 'hardcore gaming system', it has an ATI X1600 Pro for crying out loud, a Pro! the only reason is touted as being a gaming system is because that X1600 has 1024MB VRAM, which apparently automatically makes it better in games, advised him against the purchase but got it anyway, it can't play anything really. so like these 970T which are guaranteed to do this or that, might be too good to be true, just like my mates 'gaming' system, he did no research, took no advice and got shafted. so I stand by my original thought of to hell with the 970T (and all the unknowns) and just get a 1055T, a decent motherboard and a better power supply. maybe we might get a 'OMFG my systemz has just sploded..!' or 'WTF?! my 970T BLCK ED wn't clck past 3.4GHZ...!'. ;)
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Whilst I agree with all you have said I reccon he should buy one of these (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-007-SP&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1692) just to see if he can run a hexcore AM3 processor in it. It will probably have better results :p
 
Gashman said:
thing is though, manufacturers don't lock their best silicon in things like the 970T, that would be an utterly pointless exercise, so by default its really unlikely the 970T will be cherry picked cores or else they would be used as standard X6. chances are it'll unlock but won't clock any better than a 1055T, which not to sound funny are far from difficult to overclock and get great results most of the time, not sure what is giving folks the idea they are hard to overclock. been using FSB clocking since I first overclocked a processor, with some pretty good results so its really not difficult, its all about sourcing the best components for the task, motherboards that are known to support very high FSB frequencies, this board I use goes upto something frankly stupid like 511 FSB, though my processor won't do it without multiplier reduced.

still failing to understand why the 970T is such a bargain and why all advice to simple save himself the unknowns and go with a 1055T was shunned, also like mentioned above the bus overclocked processor will be faster than the multiplier overclocked chips, so when the 970T might clock to 4.2GHZ it might be no faster than a 1055T clocked at 4.0GHZ, hell might even be slower! cannot fathom why the dude has purchased a motherboard that isn't equipped to handle X6 processors as well, again shunning advice against it, starting to think either A) he is utterly taking the biscuit and nothing he says is serious, just trying to be a joker, B) he has no clue about what he is doing, in the slightest or C) he actually thinks that by purchasing a 970T and he is somehow going to get a X6 that is faster than standard X6, personally hate seeing people mess up builds.

best mate bought system off the shelf (bad idea) while back, it was claimed to be a 'hardcore gaming system', it has an ATI X1600 Pro for crying out loud, a Pro! the only reason is touted as being a gaming system is because that X1600 has 1024MB VRAM, which apparently automatically makes it better in games, advised him against the purchase but got it anyway, it can't play anything really. so like these 970T which are guaranteed to do this or that, might be too good to be true, just like my mates 'gaming' system, he did no research, took no advice and got shafted. so I stand by my original thought of to hell with the 970T (and all the unknowns) and just get a 1055T, a decent motherboard and a better power supply. maybe we might get a 'OMFG my systemz has just sploded..!' or 'WTF?! my 970T BLCK ED wn't clck past 3.4GHZ...!'. ;)
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i think you posted in the wrong thread mate, you are talking too much sense that if/when this guy comes back, his head will explode trying to think of excuses as to why what you said is wrong.
if you want 6 cores, buy an X6, if you want 4 cores but would be happy with the extra 1 or 2 cores you might get by unlocking, then take a chance.
but from everything ZZAC posted, he wants 6 cores running at 2000000GHz for the price of an X4. he has spent a lot of his budget on a cpu that no one knows about, and is going by someone typing 'guaranteed' in the product description. this has meant he has no budget left to buy the 3 most important parts of the pc :
PSU
MOBO
CASE
without these 3 items being of decent quality, the rest of the system will struggle to run at its potential.

Disclaimer
these are just my opinions and i do not state them as fact.
 
superste2201 said:
Except the 1055T is multiplier locked, so is hard to overclock and you do not have as much control.

And, although what you say is true, AMD sort processors by binning.

Some 1055T's will not be able to run at 3.5ghz and will be highly unlikely to overclock to 4ghz. The 970T unlocked will always be able to run at 3.5ghz and will, more than likely, OC to over 4ghz on air.

Even if the 1055T had 3.5ghz stock, the unlocked multiplier is still worth the extra £10 and is what a lot of people prefer. Just look at the i5 2500k and 2500.
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My 4375MHZ 1055T tells you to go back into your corner.
 
paradisiac said:
i wouldnt bother, he seems to have the same attitude as ZZAC, in his head he is right so no one will convince him otherwise.
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you mean he is ZZAC?

I don't understand the point in asking for advice on purchasing something after you have made the purchase of the item. Generally his attitude is pretty bad, lets be honest, and the only purpose this thread has created for its-self is to amuse other forum readers (much like myself, after I tried helping, but advice was ignored). I'm sure one day he will log into his OCUK account and look at his posts and realise how petty and childish he has been, but until then, keep the laughs coming
 
this thread is embarrassing, the 970T will not clock better than a retail x6 cpu there is a reason it has been binned as a 4 core cpu. the x6 are so cheap at the moment why even take the chance?
I cannot belive the poster believes because the 970T is rated at 3.5ghz that it will make it a better cpu than the x6 rated at 3.3ghz once it unlocks (if it unlocks, its the same silicon) do you really think they would cut out 2 cores because it is a better chip....please think before you post, people read what you write and actually believe you.
 
Sayso said:
this thread is embarrassing, the 970T will not clock better than a retail x6 cpu there is a reason it has been binned as a 4 core cpu. the x6 are so cheap at the moment why even take the chance?
I cannot belive the poster believes because the 970T is rated at 3.5ghz that it will make it a better cpu than the x6 rated at 3.3ghz once it unlocks (if it unlocks, its the same silicon) do you really think they would cut out 2 cores because it is a better chip....please think before you post, people read what you write and actually believe you.
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that basically sums up what I am trying to say, the 970T isn't some exceptional 'speed binned' silicon that AMD have locked for the good of their health, it'll be binned for some imperfection in the silicon that prevents it operating in the way they want it too, that is all, never heard of a X6 doing much more than 4.2GHZ but hear very often them doing ~4.0GHZ so that seems to be the frequency wall, seems to be the same sort of wall that all Phenom IIs hit, must admit it has been a common thing for a while with AMD chips, the older Athlon 64s all hit a 'wall' as well that you just couldn't push past without resorting to silly voltages.
 
Then where are all the people with these super.overclocking and unlocking chips? :s most x6's go to 4ghz. The best sometimes go further under water, i see your point about the price but im sure if i was given a 970t and a 1055t, there would not be a 20% clock advantage when overclocking.

Depends what your after i guess, most of us like a warranty and peace of mind, some will forgo that for a chance that a chip might go a bit faster.

Ergh late night and replied to a post a page back lol- _-
 
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