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xaldub said:
The cost to train a doctor from undergraduate level to foundation level is at least £230,000. And that figure is 7 years out of date.
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if you mean university, then should everyone also be forced to indentured servitude until they pay back their university fees?
what about those that immediately go into the private sectors?

if you mean after university, it's called a salary for doing a job. there's very little "training"
nearly all "training" is done after working hours in own time, and exams/courses etc is paid out of pocket (mostly)
 
tamzzy said:
if you mean university, then should everyone also be forced to indentured servitude until they pay back their university fees?
what about those that immediately go into the private sectors?

if you mean after university, it's called a salary for doing a job. there's very little "training"
nearly all "training" is done after working hours in own time, and exams/courses etc is paid out of pocket (mostly)
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Estimated training costs doesn't include salaries. There is an infrastructure cost, paying for the educators ( at undergraduate level ), creation and maintenenance of the job itself ( outwith salary ) etc.
 
xaldub said:
Estimated training costs doesn't include salaries. There is an infrastructure cost, paying for the educators ( at undergraduate level ), creation and maintenenance of the job itself ( outwith salary ) etc.
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tamzzy said:
if you mean university, then should everyone also be forced to indentured servitude until they pay back their university fees?
what about those that immediately go into the private sectors?
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tamzzy said:
if you mean university, then should everyone also be forced to indentured servitude until they pay back their university fees?
what about those that immediately go into the private sectors?

if you mean after university, it's called a salary for doing a job. there's very little "training"
nearly all "training" is done after working hours in own time, and exams/courses etc is paid out of pocket (mostly)
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No. Not university. The NHS and government bear some of the costs for training. As pointed out it costs about £300k to train a doctor.
It's standard across many industries and workplaces that if you leave after the company makes a significant investment in you you are tied to part of the costs.

For example my previous company had a policy whereby if they paid for your degree you had to pay back 100% if you left within a year, 70% in two and so on tailing off to 0 after 4 years.
 
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xaldub said:
The cost to train a doctor from undergraduate level to foundation level is at least £230,000. And that figure is 7 years out of date.
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Dis86 said:
As pointed out it costs about £300k to train a doctor.
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7 years out of date and not quite correct. https://fullfact.org/health/cost-training-doctor/
p23, but wow £111k the government pays for the clinical years. I definitely did not receive £111k's worth of teaching for that 3 years...

Dis86 said:
It's standard across many industries and workplaces that if you leave after the company makes a significant investment in you you are tied to part of the costs.
For example my previous company had a policy whereby if they paid for your degree you had to pay back 100% of you left within a year, 70% in two and so on tailing off to 0 after 4 years.
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after reading up, i wouldn't mind that, if the pay matched other comparative groups (they don't for the most part, and unsurprisingly alongside the work environment, easy to see why less are staying)
p111/112
 
tamzzy said:
7 years out of date and not quite correct. https://fullfact.org/health/cost-training-doctor/
p23, but wow £111k the government pays for the clinical years. I definitely did not receive £111k's worth of teaching for that 3 years...



after reading up, i wouldn't mind that, if the pay matched other comparative groups (they don't for the most part, and unsurprisingly alongside the work environment, easy to see why less are staying)
p111/112
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I wouldn't rely on the fullfact articles as they contradict themselves. The government figures are likely to be more reliable.

Nice one from the bjgp here.

bjgp.org

GP induction and refresher and retainer schemes: are they cost-effective?

There are many reasons why doctors may not wish to commit fully to a lifetime’s work in the NHS. However, the early loss of GPs is contributing to the impending GP workforce crisis. The Retainer and Induction & Refresher (I&R) schemes help to keep or reintroduce GPs in the workforce, but at a...
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