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physics cards a joke

”because they are prerendered. Nothing on this earth right now will run them smoothly in realtime.”
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“Why do the demos on their website look/run perfectly, and when people play them that don't run that well.”
They are not pre rendered you do get those cloth and liquid effects with the PPU. The first set of drivers had some bugs but the recent drivers let us lot with the PPU run it smoothly.



“Edit: Yea, I haven't seen any proof from anyone with the card is runs at more than 20FPS, show me this?”
How would you like me to test? Guess video capture is best but not done that before. Any recommendations for a program to use and settings? Are there any other ways that would convince you? Are screenshots ok?




“Its ALL on that cellfactor so far, I think they have released it a tiny bit early.”
What about all the other games and demos? Its not just 1 game and 1 demo.
 
Pottsey said:
”because they are prerendered. Nothing on this earth right now will run them smoothly in realtime.”
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“Why do the demos on their website look/run perfectly, and when people play them that don't run that well.”
They are not pre rendered you do get those cloth and liquid effects with the PPU. The first set of drivers had some bugs but the recent drivers let us lot with the PPU run it smoothly.
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Not at those frame rates it doesnt, and who are you lot? you are the only person claiming to have better framerates. funny, the guys with quad-sli here aren't, are they?
 
“, and who are you lot? you are the only person claiming to have better framerates.”
Go to the http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17568825&page=13

Search for [ui]ICEMAN he also confirms what I say with the new patch and drivers. There are not many posts yet as the drivers and patch are new. I was hopeing more PPU owners would post here to confirm or not if what I say is true.

So far not a single PPU use’s has installed the patch and drivers and not reported a massive change. But then again I only know a handfull who have tried the patch. I also dont know anyone who says with the new drivers cellfactor is not smooth.
 
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All a waste of time. The idea of needing a second graphics card to do a specific task is ludicrous. Its just a way of sponging money off everyone. SLI and Crossfire have already proved that. Why make cards twice and fast and sell for 20% more than the previous card, when they are asking muppets to go out and buy 2 or even 3 of the same card - and ppl are doing.

If you want to implement extra 'physics' for games shouldnt it be on a single card!? they should have got together with nvidia or ati and stuck it on the main cards.

EDIT : This pottsey dude must work for Ageia. If he doesnt.. he needs to. Cant find a single post on any forum of anyone happy with the £200 shell out for this card. Thats put me off.
 
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Usual Suspect said:
All a waste of time. The idea of needing a second graphics card to do a specific task is ludicrous. Its just a way of sponging money off everyone. SLI and Crossfire have already proved that. Why make cards twice and fast and sell for 20% more than the previous card, when they are asking muppets to go out and buy 2 or even 3 of the same card - and ppl are doing.

If you want to implement extra 'physics' for games shouldnt it be on a single card!? they should have got together with nvidia or ati and stuck it on the main cards.

EDIT : This pottsey dude must work for Ageia. If he doesnt.. he needs to. Cant find a single post on any forum of anyone happy with the £200 shell out for this card. Thats put me off.
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Too right m8.
It all seems too easy to ask us to sheel out £XXX amount for hardware that does not deliver in the end.
The trend is the same with most high end hardware these days.
 
Pottsey said:
“http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1056037
waste of money“
The PPU has extra effects and higher FPS so why is it a waste of money?



“ummm anyone see the news at guru ... can run cell factor without the card and still get full physics .. oops .. lol ... now thats a boo boo and a half ..”
You don’t get full physics you get quite a bit missing and less FPS without a PPU.
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Erm... am i going mad here, or is that link proof that this card is crap, it shows without PPU = 13fps, and with the PPU = 12fps, that is not higher. :confused: :confused:
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Erm... am i going mad here, or is that link proof that this card is crap, it shows without PPU = 13fps, and with the PPU = 12fps, that is not higher. :confused: :confused:
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yeah he's sounds like a second hand car saleman!
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Erm... am i going mad here, or is that link proof that this card is crap, it shows without PPU = 13fps, and with the PPU = 12fps, that is not higher. :confused: :confused:
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Yep, that doesn't wnat me to buy it.

Screenshots with visible FPS will be fine, even tho they can be faked but never mind. Photos would be good idea too.
 
”Erm... am i going mad here, or is that link proof that this card is crap, it shows without PPU = 13fps, and with the PPU = 12fps, that is not higher. ”

Did you only read page 1?
Copy and past time

“PhysX Enabled, Multiple CPU:
Min: 28
Max: 43
Avg: 38.1

PhysX Disabled, Multiple CPU:
Min: 19
Max: 42
Avg: 38.65

PhysX Enabled, Single CPU:
Min: 26
Max: 37
Avg: 34.4

PhysX Disabled, Single CPU:
Min: 15
Max: 32
Avg: 27.45”

Considering that’s with a beta game demo with old drivers and the PPU is running extra effects I don’t think that’s too bad. The new drivers are better as well.

Granted you’re not gaining a lot of FPS but that’s ok to me as you are getting extra effects and I expect the final optimised game and newer drivers to be even better.




“Screenshots with visible FPS will be fine, even tho they can be faked but never mind. Photos would be good idea too.”
Great idea I will get that done during benchmarking but it will not be up today.
 
Pottsey are you exployed by ageia or something? Just find it "odd" to say the least that since you signed up...yesterday every single post you've made is to defend that pos physics card of theirs. Also funnily enough its this forum that the crap performance of their card was discovered so i wouldn't put it past them to have people runnning around talking about how great it is doing damage control.
 
Gerard said:
Pottsey are you exployed by ageia or something? Just find it "odd" to say the least that since you signed up...yesterday every single post you've made is to defend that pos physics card of theirs. Also funnily enough its this forum that the crap performance of their card was discovered so i wouldn't put it past them to have people runnning around talking about how great it is doing damage control.
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It does seem a bit fishy, but don't worry, people can see the results for themselves.
 
it might be fishy.... or maybe he is just trying to get his view point across. you could say loadsamoney is employed by people who want to halt progress as all he does is moan about cost of new systems, or that whatshisface (canne remember his name :P) is employed my nvidia cos every post he recommends them.
What im trying to say is that since a lot of threads on here are similar as people dont use the search function, he might feel the need to do the same -> post the same stuff on every thread as there are so many threads, making it look like he is sucking up to the company more than he is.

I look forward to the evidence he said he is going to bring in the next few days. Instead of jumping on the bandwagon, how about we wait till he shows us these new drivers or what ever? Ive seen on a few threads that the GRAW improvements using a beta patch on both the PPU and the game itself has yeilded impressive results. Whether they have improved the actual fragments coming off the explosions etc etc has yet to be covered however :p
 
“REALLY ?, a flag, some very limited liquid effects and ?”
I believe cloth and liquids are all you don’t get without the PPU. Don’t think I ever said anything different. I guess we have different ideas on what’s limited, I didn’t think the cloth or liquids where that limited. Its something you get everytime you kill someone among other place’s.

Have you had chance to test GRAW with the 1.10 patch and new drivers?




“Pottsey are you exployed by ageia or something? Just find it "odd" to say the least that since you signed up...yesterday every single post you've made is to defend that pos physics card of theirs.”
As I explained before I made 1000’s of posts in the past but lost my account, I used to post a lot on these forums a long time ago. The only reason my recent posts are on the ageia card is I bought it from here after seeing the results with the new drivers and game patch(s). I feel the cards is getting an unfair reputation as to many people are looking at the old drivers and unpatched games. Not the new drivers and new patch’s. I would also like to see results form other PPU owners with the new drivers + game patch in Ghost Recon. I am amazed no PPU owners with the patch and drivers have posted either against what I say or for what I say in this thread.

All I want are people to look at the PPU with the new patch’s and drivers and confirm what I say it true or not.
 
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Pottsey said:
”Erm... am i going mad here, or is that link proof that this card is crap, it shows without PPU = 13fps, and with the PPU = 12fps, that is not higher. ”

Did you only read page 1?
Copy and past time

“PhysX Enabled, Multiple CPU:
Min: 28
Max: 43
Avg: 38.1

PhysX Disabled, Multiple CPU:
Min: 19
Max: 42
Avg: 38.65

PhysX Enabled, Single CPU:
Min: 26
Max: 37
Avg: 34.4

PhysX Disabled, Single CPU:
Min: 15
Max: 32
Avg: 27.45”

Considering that’s with a beta game demo with old drivers and the PPU is running extra effects I don’t think that’s too bad. The new drivers are better as well.

Granted you’re not gaining a lot of FPS but that’s ok to me as you are getting extra effects and I expect the final optimised game and newer drivers to be even better.
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TBH, I'd rather spend £200 on getting a better gfx/cpu/mem/mobo, than some **** card that increases FPS by what 10%? But then you need a faster gfx card to render that.

Minimum FPS is pretty dire still, and im really not convinced. Esp as I don't care about those games, does FSX support it? No, it supports multi-cpu, so the 2nd core does the physics, oh dear, the card has lost all its meaning?

Not for me.

Edit: Dual core CPU is £200, if the games were coded to use that then I dont have to spend another £200 to get performance I would get using a dual core.

Are any of these games FULLY dual core compatible??
 
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Pottsey said:
“REALLY ?, a flag, some very limited liquid effects and ?”
I believe cloth and liquids are all you don’t get without the PPU. Don’t think I ever said anything different. I guess we have different ideas on what’s limited, I didn’t think the cloth or liquids where that limited. Its something you get everything you kill someone among other place’s.

Have you had chance to test GRAW with the patch and new drivers?




“Pottsey are you exployed by ageia or something? Just find it "odd" to say the least that since you signed up...yesterday every single post you've made is to defend that pos physics card of theirs.”
As I explained before I made 1000’s of posts in the past but lost my account, I used to post a lot on these forums a long time ago. The only reason my recent posts are on the ageia card is I bought it from here after seeing the results with the new drivers and game patch(s). I feel the cards is getting an unfair reputation as to many people are looking at the old drivers and unpatched games. Not the new drivers and new patch’s. I would also like to see results form other PPU owners with the new drivers = game patch in Ghost Recon. I am amazed no PPU owners with the patch and drivers have posted either against what I say or for what I say in this thread.

All I want are people to look at the PPU with the new patch’s and drivers and confirm what I say it true
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Pottsey.. the strangest thing about u is not ** the only one beefing a poor product.. but the fact u have taken a volcanic flaming from loads of ppl today yet u have stay calm and given salesmanship replys... where others would have just used the **** word.
 
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”Show us proof then? Cos my £200 is staying firmly in my bank.”

http://www.ageia.com/physx_in_action/footage_physx.html

Watch the cellfactor movie with the PPU right near the start the ship fly’s though the waving flag and tears it to shreds. Now run the game without the PPU and there isn’t even a flag let alone tearing cloth. Letter on there is liquid blood flown over and down walls and other liquids all of which you don’t get without the PPU. There are other good shots of realistic moving cloth in the movie.

That should be enough proof that without the PPU you do not get all the effects. I don’t think any of the bencmarks show Cellfactor to be faster without the PPU. So the PPU is faster FPS with more effects over not having a PPU.

EDIT: If I am wrong please show me how you got the cloth and liquids to work without the PPU.
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BTW.. this was supposed to be proof?? and pages from the manufacturer website?
 
“but the fact u have taken a volcanic flaming from loads of ppl today yet u have stay calm and given salesmanship replys... where others would have just used the **** word.”
I work in a special needs school for children with behavioural problems. You kind of learn to stay calm most of the time. As for the salesmanship replay I didn’t mean to come across like that and will try and stop. Sorry about that.

I can see the card is not for most people and we do need more games that make use of it. I don’t mean to sound like everyone should buy it but that’s how I came across.
 
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