physics cards a joke

Pottsey · 30 May 2006 at 14:02

“BTW.. this was supposed to be proof?? and pages from the manufacturer website?”
It was proof that without the PPU you don’t get all the effects. As some people where saying you got all the effects without a PPU.
I was hoping people would watch that and see that with the PPU there are extra effects over when you run the game without the PPU.

The only other option is to record and upload my own video or to see if someone else has uploaded some.

Do you really think video is fake and people with the PPU are not getting those extra effects in the game?

LoadsaMoney · 30 May 2006 at 14:12

Well if your willing to show that the cards are better now with new drivers etc... then id like to see them, and if im wrong about the cards now then so be it.

SteveOBHave · 30 May 2006 at 14:13

LoadsaMoney said:
Well if your willing to show that the cards are better now with new drivers etc... then id like to see them, and if im wrong about the cards now then so be it.

Fully, we can't argue with facts.

Usual Suspect · 30 May 2006 at 15:41

Pottsey said:
Do you really think video is fake and people with the PPU are not getting those extra effects in the game?

Do you really think the intel conroe (although i can only hope) will come out showing such a overwelming advantage that the test Intel displayed.

Usual Suspect · 30 May 2006 at 15:47

Pottsey said:
“BTW.. this was supposed to be proof?? and pages from the manufacturer website?”
It was proof that without the PPU you don’t get all the effects. As some people where saying you got all the effects without a PPU.
I was hoping people would watch that and see that with the PPU there are extra effects over when you run the game without the PPU.

The only other option is to record and upload my own video or to see if someone else has uploaded some.

Do you really think video is fake and people with the PPU are not getting those extra effects in the game?

You only dont get all the effects because the are locked to the PhysicsX card... you've just payed software-games companys to do this. Your not telling me the graphics card (79000 GTX with the required "PhysicsX software/Bios" ) could not handle. This is just like when shader model 3 came out... Would anyone have paid for a Shader model 4 Addon card.. your just trying to create a monopoly on a piece of software that u have stuck in a card with a over priced processor/memory on it. Then the games manufacturers make the games with the physicsX improvements which in essense is only a small piece of programming code. If this was released globaly then everyone would benifit from the "PhysicsX experience"

Gerard · 30 May 2006 at 15:57

Usual Suspect said:
Do you really think the intel conroe (although i can only hope) will come out showing such a overwelming advantage that the test Intel displayed.

Seeing as anandtech had hands on with it and seeing the loads of superpi benchmarks form various sites etc seem to prove them right id say yes.

BubbySoup · 30 May 2006 at 16:56

Usual Suspect said:
You only dont get all the effects because the are locked to the PhysicsX card... you've just payed software-games companys to do this. Your not telling me the graphics card (79000 GTX with the required "PhysicsX software/Bios" ) could not handle.

It's dedicated hardware built purely to chomp through physics calculations - of course a graphics card would not be able to handle what the PhysX chip can do. The actual chip is capable of some amazing number crunching - it's what happens from then on seems to be the problem

Goksly · 30 May 2006 at 17:07

you'd actually be surprised at how good graphics cards are at number crunching, since thats basically all it does

Usual Suspect · 30 May 2006 at 17:15

BubbySoup said:
It's dedicated hardware built purely to chomp through physics calculations - of course a graphics card would not be able to handle what the PhysX chip can do. The actual chip is capable of some amazing number crunching - it's what happens from then on seems to be the problem

I give up. Its sounds good... has the potential to be good, but looks to me like
1. This should have come out with the help of a big boy like ATI or invidia, with the hardware built onboard a "new" bread of card.

2. If the seperate card was to work you'd either need some unreal enhancements for the £200 notes one has forked out. Or reprice the card for less than a ton but still would need to show real value for money.

3. Had the full support from a few major games manufacturers so ppl are more likly to buy into this before they go bust.

4. Most importantly.. and i think this is the downfall of many companies.. dont release a ground "Ground breaking" tech that doesnt actually work properly yet.

There are Loads of Upgrades ppl can purchase to improve the gaming experience. And new Card .. and new chip... £200 would get you some serious increase in performance if your upgrading from old equipment allowing you to finally turn that resolution up.. get the AA to 4 turn the AF HDR on .etc..

kdd · 30 May 2006 at 20:06

If you start needing to buy a £200+ physics card as well as a £300+ graphics card to play latest games then xbox 360 here i come. Ageia should get lost and die. The physx card is an answer to a question that was never asked.

AndyOcUK · 30 May 2006 at 23:30

The Physx PPU will actually LOWER your FPS slightly in certain situations guys. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with improving graphics performance ' a la 3DMark'. The PPU is designed to take the burden off the CPU NOT the GPU. Its also a really new technology so developers are still 'learning' how to program for it.

Best Regards

AndyOCUk
OCUK Tech Dept.

JonnyGLC · 30 May 2006 at 23:34

kdd said:
If you start needing to buy a £200+ physics card as well as a £300+ graphics card to play latest games then xbox 360 here i come. Ageia should get lost and die. The physx card is an answer to a question that was never asked.

Don't think any time soon you'll NEED to be buying the PPU, it just gives you spangly effects in some games.

crashuk · 31 May 2006 at 02:48

just wanna know if thats a rea lgame

FreeStream · 31 May 2006 at 08:25

AndyOcUK said:
The Physx PPU will actually LOWER your FPS slightly in certain situations guys. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with improving graphics performance ' a la 3DMark'. The PPU is designed to take the burden off the CPU NOT the GPU. Its also a really new technology so developers are still 'learning' how to program for it.

Best Regards

AndyOCUk
OCUK Tech Dept.

Which in turn should increase FPS if the gfx card can handle it, sorry but for £200 the card is simply not worth it.

blade007 · 31 May 2006 at 08:50

Pottsey = someone on Ageia's books

defending it to the hilt? turning negatives into positives? never giving in? always cool targeted answers --- come on

PureAppleJuice · 31 May 2006 at 08:54

Hehe, does sound like he works for them I must say.

AndyOcUK · 31 May 2006 at 09:10

Concorde Rules said:
Which in turn should increase FPS if the gfx card can handle it, sorry but for £200 the card is simply not worth it.

Modern games are not limited by CPU but GPU performance. We've ran benchmarks with FX57's and 3000+ chips in games like F.E.A.R. in the same rig with hardly any difference in frame rates.

As I said earlier, the supported games are few and far between. Slating the card as rubbish makes no sense. Thats like buying a car and slating it because you can't drive or have no roads to drive it on. Wait 'till "Crysis" comes out. You'll soon change your mind. lol

FreeStream · 31 May 2006 at 09:20

AndyOcUK said:
Modern games are not limited by CPU but GPU performance. We've ran benchmarks with FX57's and 3000+ chips in games like F.E.A.R. in the same rig with hardly any difference in frame rates.

As I said earlier, the supported games are few and far between. Slating the card as rubbish makes no sense. Thats like buying a car and slating it because you can't drive or have no roads to drive it on. Wait 'till "Crysis" comes out. You'll soon change your mind. lol

Okay then, for the moment it is a waste of money, the effects are poor and FPS are poor.

Unless that radically changes I aint getting one, and im sure a lot of others wont either.

All this should be put on the 2nd core which you can get for £200 anyway...

Pottsey · 31 May 2006 at 09:24

“Pottsey = someone on Ageia's books
defending it to the hilt? turning negatives into positives? never giving in? always cool targeted answers --- come on“
This is getting silly now. First it was PowerVR now its Ageia. I have been on these forums for years. How am I meant to prove I don’t work for Ageia? Guess I could make a hidden webpage on the school website I work at. Which would also prove I work with special needs kids. Do I really have to go that far?

I explained why I am cool tempered most of the time, it’s due to the place I work.

Everything I have posted has been true, all the PPU owners who tried Ghost recon confirm what I said. Not a single person who owns a PPU and tried the patch has gone against what I said. You might not agree with me but facts are facts, PPU gives you extra effects and boosts FPS in both Cellfactor and Ghost Recon. If you still don’t like the PPU fair enough but don’t go around spreading lies and saying it slows down the system and the CPU runs all the same effects or accusing me of working for Ageia's.

If you dont agree with me find someone with a PPU with the new drivers and patch and get them to prove me wrong. So far the other PPU owners confirmed what I said.

blade007 · 31 May 2006 at 09:30

the thing is people have these PPU cards NOW, but there's nothing useful to run on it. Performance with current games is below par, even with ones supposedly supporting PPU.

people have patience but for only so long.