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if this isnt true the physx card could really take off after coming into 2007, games could make use of less physics on the cpu which in total could benifit the whole game it depends on how the game uses the ppu
 
BaDBoY16 said:
if this isnt true the physx card could really take off after coming into 2007, games could make use of less physics on the cpu which in total could benifit the whole game it depends on how the game uses the ppu
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I think the issue will become how old the actual hardware is and how relevant it will be considering the speed that the other hardware is developing around it. Keeping in mind that quad core Intel CPUs are just around the corner, the PhysX card may not actually be able to produce the same results that the CPU alone could. Whether it is going to take off or not is purely speculation, so an honest answer is "Don't Know".
 
BaDBoY16 said:
im sure the physx card will continuosly get updates for it from ageia. Nividia or ati may even put the updates in their games.
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Hmmm - I think there may be some confusion here. Nvidia and ATI develop hardware, not the games themselves. It is up to the games developers to add hardware support and since Nvidia and ATI are partially in competition with Ageia, I would seriously doubt any sort of alliance. However it would produce some pretty cool hardware and from my perspective a Graphics card with an integrated PPU is a much more clever way of implimenting the hardware.

As an aside, Nvidia and ATI are developing their own physics implimentations which I personally find wasteful because they 'reccommend' a SLI setup with a third grapics card utilised as a PPU.

IMO the Havok API (which most games that use physics out now use) is the better option. It doesn't need extra hardware and it is free to the consumer.
 
BaDBoY16 said:
im sure the physx card will continuosly get updates for it from ageia. Nividia or ati may even put the updates in their games.
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Updates can only take the hardware so far. As for Nvidia & ATI, I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
 
no that was my fault i got confused sorry, even if their isnt many games out yet the games that are showing use with the ppu are showing superior boosts and performance inhancements, if you look at cell factor with and without the ppu you can see a major difference.
 
Yeah but its not always going to equate to better performance.

How much do you reckon a PPU will cost by April next year?
 
“The 'Available Now' list on the Ageia site isn't getting any bigger, and that is an issue for Ageia and for the PhysX hardware.”
There list is getting bigger but for some reason they are not updating it. That’s one thing we can both agree on Ageia marketing team are not very good. There are games in the upcoming list that are out now. Saying that the list is growing far to slow there should have been more games out by now.





“IMO stating that the hardware provides a large boost in performance is not honest at all, and with all due respect,”
It’s perfectly honest even if you have a dual core and fit a PPU you can get more then a 30% performance boost. How is that not honest? I am not saying you get a performance boost in every game. Seeing those results it would be wrong to say the PPU never gives a large performance boost. Your statement said we have never seen a large performance boost, which just isn’t true. Out of all my PPU games only one suffers slow downs but even then in lots of areas it gets a speed boost.

The only statement that’s not honest is yours when you say we have never seen large performance boost with the PPU.






“From my perspective and also from the reviewers perspective the performance gain was from optimisation completed by the game devs and similar gains could be made from upgrading the CPU. In my eyes, that doesn't do anything towards validating the hardware. As was commented by the reviewer, spending the same money on a dual core CPU has far greater across the board benefits than spending on a PPU.”
True and if anyone has single core I would say they should upgrade to dual core before getting a PPU. But those with dual cores are benefiting from a PPU. A lot of the arguments against the PPU are why get it when you can get a dual core. Well what about those of us with dual core? I don’t think the article is damming it shows that if you have dual core and want more performance in a game that supports the PPU then the cheapest way to do that is to get a PPU. If you already have dual core upgrading the CPU will not give as much a speed increase as the PPU and a CPU upgrade will not enable the extra effects either.





“I dissagree, the PPU still has a hell of a long way to go before we could even consider it to be "how it should have been at the start".”
Well ideally I would like to see the PPU come out with 20+games supporting it but how it is now is roughly how the first 3Dcards where when they came out. That’s why I thought how the PPU is now is how it should have been at the start.




“If that is the case then they'd better get releasing because 2006 is almost over!”
When the PPU first came out I would have thought they would have hit that target or near enough. Now I don’t see them getting anywhere near it with the current pace of new games. Unless they surprise us with lots all in a short amount of time but that’s most likely wishful thinking.

If Ageia want to live they need 30+games out and some triple A games before Havok and ATI bring out there version of the PPU.
 
Pottsey said:

“IMO stating that the hardware provides a large boost in performance is not honest at all, and with all due respect,”
It’s perfectly honest even if you have a dual core and fit a PPU you can get more then a 30% performance boost. How is that not honest? I am not saying you get a performance boost in every game. Seeing those results it would be wrong to say the PPU never gives a large performance boost. Your statement said we have never seen a large performance boost, which just isn’t true. Out of all my PPU games only one suffers slow downs but even then in lots of areas it gets a speed boost.

The only statement that’s not honest is yours when you say we have never seen large performance boost with the PPU.
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Granted that I said that we haven't see large performance gains from the Physx hardware but to attribute the 'large performance games' based on what has been game developer optimisation to the hardware itself is not entirely fair.

I struggle to see game optimisation as an indicator of the PPUs development. Saying that we have a large performance boost with the PPU is almost like saying that my PC runs faster because I painted go faster stripes on it. So far we have seen 'some' improvement in the current games that 'half heartedly' utilise the PPU and what appears to be a pretty serious update to the opitmisation of the game COV.

I'll accept that this may be an indicator for the possibilities of the PhysX hardware, but it may also just mean that the COV developers muffed the first release and have finally got it right and have properly targeted their games PPU utilisation. What we absolutely must keep in mind is that COV is a CPU limited game and as such is not a true comparison between using the PPU and not using the PPU.

Pottsey said:
True and if anyone has single core I would say they should upgrade to dual core before getting a PPU. But those with dual cores are benefiting from a PPU. A lot of the arguments against the PPU are why get it when you can get a dual core. Well what about those of us with dual core? I don’t think the article is damming it shows that if you have dual core and want more performance in a game that supports the PPU then the cheapest way to do that is to get a PPU. If you already have dual core upgrading the CPU will not give as much a speed increase as the PPU and a CPU upgrade will not enable the extra effects either.
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Ok I'll accept that, but £187 is quite a bit to pay for a couple of games...


Pottsey said:
If Ageia want to live they need 30+games out and some triple A games before Havok and ATI bring out there version of the PPU.
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AGREED!
 
well you never know and how do you know that the havoc and atis version of the ppu will not have the same problems at the start, ageia by then could have 50+ games out amd may hav earned the respect of most enthusiasts, also by then most games could be utilizing the ppu and making most of the power gained by the cpu having less strain on it, and the quad cores are in there 1000s so if you have a lot of money, then i admit one of these is better than a duel core cpu and a ppu but for most of us that option is out of our league.
 
Pottsey said:
That’s one thing we can both agree on Ageia marketing team are not very good.
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You're not are you... though their product team aren't exactly the worlds greatest either.

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BaDBoY16 said:
well you never know and how do you know that the havoc and atis version of the ppu will not have the same problems at the start, ageia by then could have 50+ games out amd may hav earned the respect of most enthusiasts, also by then most games could be utilizing the ppu and making most of the power gained by the cpu having less strain on it...
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And pigs might fly...

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“You're not are you...”
How can people be stupid enough to still think I work for Ageia. I have proven I don’t work for them. If don’t agree with me fine but use decent arguments like SteveOBHave did instead of coming up with unoriginal things like you work for Ageia. Accusing people of working for a company because you don’t agree with them is just silly. It’s even more silly when that person lives on the other side of the world from the company in question and has been on the forums for years before the company was known about.

So far I have been accursed of working for Nvidia, PowerVR & Ageia so which one is it?
 
Pottsey said:
“You're not are you...”
How can people be stupid enough to still think I work for Ageia. I have proven I don’t work for them. If don’t agree with me fine but use decent arguments like SteveOBHave did instead of coming up with unoriginal things like you work for Ageia. Accusing people of working for a company because you don’t agree with them is just silly. It’s even more silly when that person lives on the other side of the world from the company in question and has been on the forums for years before the company was known about.

So far I have been accursed of working for Nvidia, PowerVR & Ageia so which one is it?
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Ignore it Pottsey, it is jeuvenile and not worth the effort.
 
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