Pioneer Kuro - Owners are delirious

Dangerous Dave said:
Yes calibrated side by side in my own house same source etc. The main area I would say is low light grey scale detail lost on the Panasonic could be seen on the 500M, Panasonic's fast motion isn't as smooth either
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Interesting that you say that. We had the issue of the low light grey before it was calibrated. It was still maybe a tiny bit off that of the Kuro but then the rest of the colour rendition was better for us on the Panasonic. Interesting observations though and of course everyone is slightly different in what they want to see/prefer anyways.
 
Dangerous Dave said:
OLEDS may have surpassed black levels but they can't match the peak brightness/ dynamic range/motion control of a late model Kuro. 4k offers little benefit over 1080p on 50-60" screens at normal viewing distances.
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Out of interest why do you feel 4k doesn't offer much? I mean I certainly have noticed a large difference between playing a 1080p bluray and 4k bluray side by side at the same viewing distance.

I am 7ft from my 50" Panasonic Plasma (the 4K stuff was neighbours that we borrowed to test out as I am still holding out for 4K Bluray player myself to go with a TV deal hopefully).

But yeah in my room with both calibrated (borrowed the calibration kit from Seven Oaks) I would say there certainly was a noticeable difference in Bluray quality.

Now how much that would be if we had the same TV's with just the panel difference would be a better test but just as an overall thought and real life view.
 
hornetstinger said:
What is your 4K compression like? 43" is too small for 4K to be worthwhile unless you view it from 5' or closer.
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You would need to ask amazon and netflix ;)

Also I can tell you for a fact it's very noticeable as the other 2 tv's I have are bigger and all 3 have similar viewing distances of around 5-8 feet.

4K is definetely worthwhile if you watch 4k streams.

If all you do is game on consoles and watch broadcast tv then no it's not worthwhile.

However 4K streams have much higher quality than HD streams. There has even been multiple reviews done by avforums and hdtvtest that say the same.

4K Resolution Is Visible vs 1080p on 55″ TV from 9′ Viewing Distance

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-resolution-201312153517.htm

"The results are now in, and an overwhelming majority of participants correctly identified the 4K TV, indicating that there exists a perceptible difference even from as far as 9 feet away on a 55in screen. Out of 49 attendees who submitted their pick to enter a prize draw, only one thought that the 1080p set was the 4K display."

So 1 person out of 49 couldn't see the difference.

I imagine they could have stepped 3 feet back and results be similar but we will never know.

Stop reading stuff on the internet and go see for yourself.
 
Curlyriff said:
Out of interest why do you feel 4k doesn't offer much? I mean I certainly have noticed a large difference between playing a 1080p bluray and 4k bluray side by side at the same viewing distance.

I am 7ft from my 50" Panasonic Plasma (the 4K stuff was neighbours that we borrowed to test out as I am still holding out for 4K Bluray player myself to go with a TV deal hopefully).

But yeah in my room with both calibrated (borrowed the calibration kit from Seven Oaks) I would say there certainly was a noticeable difference in Bluray quality.

Now how much that would be if we had the same TV's with just the panel difference would be a better test but just as an overall thought and real life view.
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You should compare the 4K video down scaled to 1080p, a lot of what people see particularly with comparing 1080p streams to 4K streams is the bitrate/quality of encoding difference rather than the actual resolution.

I can tell the difference with 4K on a 50" TV but you need to be about 5-6 feet away, in my living room the TV is about 15 feet away and even on a 65" screen the difference is very small.

I also have a 4K projector onto a 125" screen and 4K is easily noticed even my wife can tell the difference which is saying something but not unexpected as with the old 1080p projector from about 5-6 foot away you could see the individual pixels!
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Glad to see you also think the price of them isn't worth it.

However 4K offers big benefits especially if you stream sources like amazon prime and netflix. The difference is night and day. HD streams compared to UHD HDR streams is like comparing dvd to blu ray.

However I have don't own a 4k blu ray player or any 4k blu rays to test 4k blu ray vs 1080p blu ray where they very well may offer very little in benefit other than HDR but I would need to see first.

And I watch on a 43" tv as it's the max allowed in my living room :mad:. 55" in the games room tho :D
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Streaming 4K is different as you are also getting different bitrates/quailty of encode, to compare the difference between 1080p and 4K you should use the same video source and downscale the 4K to 1080p it is a lot harder to see the difference then on smaller screens.
 
Well I finally sold my beloved Kuro. Psycho Sonny was spot on. I got £250 for it................







................... is what I'd be saying if I was a bitter Kuro hater that refused to accept that a highly regarded, limited run, barely used monitors tend to hold on to some resale value :D

But hey, £1,200 wasn't too far off your expert valuation ;)
 
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