Pipex accused me of copyright theft

Immulsifier said:
Actually no its not your responsibility. I read about a case in the US where the RIAA had brought charges against someone just because they paid for the connection even though it wasnt them who had downloaded the music (which could be proved) and the judge threw out the case on the grounds that just because they paid for the connection, that didnt automatically make them responsible for everything it was used for.
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Last time I checked we aren't covered by US law or US precedence (not yet anyway).
 
hsp70 said:
don't worry about not being able to get your MAC in the future when you want to move isp after you get your apology, Ofcom are bringing into force new rules starting on the 14th FEB for isp's that they are required to give you your MAC code on request and they can't charge you for it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6346135.stm
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LOL - OFCOM are toothless, they just won't do anything.
They sit back in their ivory tower telling the world that they do keep a look out for the little guy (the consumer) and that they will take ISP's to book.
If you actually look at how many cases they have taken on (and then look at how many were actually successful) we really could do better without them.

They can still hold back on a MAC code for billing reasons - if you owe a company money then they aren't forced to just give out a MAC code.
Also cancelling an ADSL connection is not a good idea.
Your line can remain flagged as ADSL for weeks and during that time you cannot submit a new order with another ISP.
You really are best off leaving an ISP on friendly terms, ie all bills paid and a MAC code generated and given.
Principles - whatever, what is more convenient.
Being able to contact an ISP tomorrow and having a new connection installed or having to chase BT for weeks attempting to get a flag removed from your line?

Even if you're not guilty on this one (won't really comment, nobody on OcUK seems guilty of anything) just think of all the times you weren't caught stealing and move on.
This is like somebody going into a store, stealing something every day.
Then one day being stopped and that one day you didn't actually steal anything and then demanding a full appology (by your own admittance).
 
hsp70 said:
don't worry about not being able to get your MAC in the future when you want to move isp after you get your apology, Ofcom are bringing into force new rules starting on the 14th FEB for isp's that they are required to give you your MAC code on request and they can't charge you for it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6346135.stm
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I am struggling with Tiscali because of slow broadband speeds for the past month. Will they give me a mac code tomorrow even if I have 6 months to run on my contract?
 
good read guys i think stoofa is right with the advent off broadband most people have downloaded something they shouldn't have .
leave on freindly terms and start again :)
 
Seems pretty flawed tbh. from the sound of it you could have been the most hardcore downloader but would get away with a slap on the wrist if you just promised the stuff wasnt available to upload
 
Think you guys have missed the point of Dogbreaths post, he's saying he hasnt used torrent to download warhammer and yet they have accused him of doing that !
 
there was an article on a torrent news site a while ago where a company that records IPs on a torrents tracker and sends them to ISPs to get them to stop the users downloading copywrited marterial. the problem is, they get the ip list from the tracker and NOTHING else, they dont even see if you are doing any uploading/downloading, even if you connect to the tracker and not even send a single byte of copywrited material, they will still pass on the IP to the mpaa who will report it to an ISP as a breach of copywrite (which it isnt, connecting to a tracker is perfectly legal if you dont send/recieve any copywrited data that you havnt been given rights to use).

simple thing to do if you realy didnt download a copywrited file is to ask youre isp to get proof that you have infact commited an illegal act, or an act that is in breach of your ISPs TOS.

heres part of the article from the TorrentFreak site:
The findings are quite shocking, but at the same time good news for filesharers who receive DMCA notices from their ISP. Ben found what some of us already expected. BayTSP only records who connects to the tracker, and has no proof that the alleged pirates actually tried to download infringing content. BayTSP merely collects IP addresses and forwards them to anti-piracy organizations. The anti-piracy then send a letter to your ISP, accusing you of sharing copyrighted material.

The really scary thing about this is that it is extremely easy for other people to make you receive a DMCA notice from your ISP, and possibly get disconnected if that happens more than once. As Ben points out, one way to make someone connect to a fake tracker (don’t try this at home) is by letting them click on a link like this:
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Their IP will then be recorded by the fake tracker, and they will probably receive an infringement notice soon after that. Even if they’ve never heard of BitTorrent at all! Another way to set someone up is by using “peer exchange“. All you have to do is enter someone else’s address, and the fake tracker will record it.

All this is actually good news for people who receive these DMCA notices. As Ben points out in his post: “If your ISP forwards a DMCA notice from these guys, point them here. This research suggests that they have no evidence of wrong-doing. If ISPs learn that the folks sending them DMCA notices are not being completely honest, they may be willing to reconsider their position about how they respond to the notices.”
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Ive had warnings, simply just left to get a clean slate I dont like having an online criminal record so I simply served my time and Migrated to AOL;)
 
This post from another site may illuminate the state of affairs re:the RIAA :mad:


RIAA to ISPs: send our blackmail notices to your customers

A memo sent by the RIAA to various ISPs lays out the music companies' latest extortion proposal: if ISPs send threatening letters to their subscribers (saving the RIAA a trip to the courts), the RIAA will "discount" their pay-off by $1000.

The RIAA wants to do an end run around this process, getting ISPs to start the collection agency work by sending out letters to the owners of IP addresses allegedly used for infringement. If the recipient of a such a letter contacts the RIAA, the labels get their positive ID and the chance to extract a sizable settlement without having to resort to the legal system.

In its letter (which has all information that would identify the recipient blacked out), the RIAA outlines how it would like ISPs' help in its continued attacks against suspected file sharers. One of the big problems from the RIAA's perspective is that of the ISPs' communications. "Whether in a notice to a subscriber at the preservation or Doe stage, or in subsequent communication with subscribers," the RIAA writes, "it is vital that you avoid providing incorrect or misleading information." Instead, ISPs should use a model letter written by the RIAA to let subscribers know what's going on.

At what point do we just abandon any pretense of making peace with these gangsters? When will it be time to declare war on them, to engage in file-sharing not because we love music, but because we hate the record companies?
 
JPL said:
At what point do we just abandon any pretense of making peace with these gangsters? When will it be time to declare war on them, to engage in file-sharing not because we love music, but because we hate the record companies?
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Unless I am very muchmistaken, its perfectly legal to fileshare in Canada, and yet, music & Video sales have gone up there too!

Sort of proving that P2P actually helps sales and does not cost the companies money at all... Perhaps though, they do lose money, but only because they are such money grabbing theives that they want EVERY PENNY Spent, to go through them, and no one else, and the yare willing to pay such pirates as the RIAA to stop the average joe from downloading a few files here and there!

Lets be honest here, but if there was no way to download a song or two here and there, would you have gone out and bought that song instead? - No, you most likely would not have... You would have bought a good song for sure, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if anyone has a collection of MP3s, theywould never have bought even a small ammount of it...
They have it purely because they can, not because they want.

I personally dont believe that P2P is costing the companies anything, especially when it comes to countries that allow P2P, are actually selling more music than those who say its illegal!
 
I think your incorrect, most people dont just download a song or 2, its usually full albums, i havent bought a single album for over 5 years,.

I dont breach copywrite incase you think this is an admission.
 
Freedom said:
I think your incorrect, most people dont just download a song or 2, its usually full albums, i havent bought a single album for over 5 years,.

I dont breach copywrite incase you think this is an admission.
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I was being conservative in my wording mate.

Sounds better to make out that people go for the odd songs than adding such words as COMPLETE or DISCOGRAPHY!!! LOL
 
HighlandeR said:
Ive had warnings, simply just left to get a clean slate I dont like having an online criminal record so I simply served my time and Migrated to AOL;)
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I ended up with a warning email off AOL around 3 years ago telling me that I had downloaded somekind of copyrighted software that I had never even heard of ? So I think it might just be bad luck if you recieve one of the emails because I do think the isp's are obliged to pass the warning on to its customers even if it is a load of old tosh.

Drphibes
 
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