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New info?It is going under. Let see how this government deals with it. Would they call a election before it goes into SA.
New info?It is going under. Let see how this government deals with it. Would they call a election before it goes into SA.
ah well..... at least we can all go and swim in a nice clean lake windamere right!
and the annoying thing is... when there are algal blooms in there they blame it on holiday makers..... maybe just maybe it's the raw sewage they pump into it.
We can't invest AND pay out massive dividends without raising prices ? Dividends it is then…In reality the regulator actually prevents water companies investing in all of this to keep bills down
No. The business profits are regulated to a relatively modest level to lower bills for customers. As an investor why would you hand money into a business which isn't going to generate you a return. The two things are mutually exclusive.We can't invest AND pay out massive dividends without raising prices ? Dividends it is then…
Then they need to do some business stuff, increase the customer base... oh wait, maybe release water max with a higher margin.No. The business profits are regulated to a relatively modest level to lower bills for customers. As an investor why would you hand money into a business which isn't going to generate you a return. The two things are mutually exclusive.
If you want them to invest in the business, they need to be able to get a return on that investment, if they can't they will just invest into a business which will. It really is that simple.
I'm not defending the water companies here, it is what it is which is a failure of privatisation and subsequent regulation.
they illegally dumped a sh..load of raw sewage illegally on at least 2 occasions, the recent one was this year. they knew there was a fault but didn't send anyone out to it until the following day. they also kept a lid on it for longer than they were supposed to.I have to be the dampener of outrage but the algae blooms coincide with hot periods where large numbers of people flock to the lakes. The raw sewage dumping co-insides with heavy rain which is the opposite of when people flock to the lakes.
Indeed you are correct. As posted in the other thread.I think the issue with nutrients causing algal blooms is that sewage contributes to them whether or not it's treated. Nitrate and phosphate levels in treated waste water might so be quite high, so even if the sewage works is working as it should it won't necessarily solve this problem.
"In the press there's a lot about untreated sewage," Mr Staniek says. "But in relation to Windermere and the ecological damage that's being inflicted upon our lake, the treated sewage is as much of a problem," he said.
I’ve been beaten to it but as others have as treated water contains high levels of nitrogen and phosphates that is a function of the treatment process.they illegally dumped a sh..load of raw sewage illegally on at least 2 occasions, the recent one was this year. they knew there was a fault but didn't send anyone out to it until the following day. they also kept a lid on it for longer than they were supposed to.
algal blooms will tend to happen in really warm weather (which will coincide with large numbers of people) but if the base line numbers of nitrates / phosphates are already higher than they should be due to sewage then it.is surely going to compound any problem and have less of a margin before there will be issues.
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Untreated sewage pumped into Windermere after fault
Millions of litres of raw sewage were pumped into one of England's most famous lakes after a fault.www.bbc.co.uk
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Raw sewage 'cover-up' at Windermere World Heritage Site
Leaked papers suggest United Utilities logged dozens of incidents as less serious than they had been.www.bbc.co.uk
Echoes of Trentham hall.Can't imagine folks property values will remain high if part of the reason for it being so literally dies and smells of ****.
indeed i was thinking of my old fishkeeping days when looking at this thread earlier.I’ve been beaten to it but as others have as treated water contains high levels of nitrogen and phosphates that is a function of the treatment process.
They use bacteria to break down the ammonia in the waste (pee/turds), that bacteria breaks it down to nitrite and more bacteria breaks down the nitrite into nitrate. Once it’s nitrate, it’s released into the river.
The phosphate also comes from the waste and there isn’t much they can do with it at this scale.
Plants ultimately consume the nitrate and phosphate as part of their nutrient uptake but too much of it triggers algae blooms.
Anyone with a fish tank should understand this filtration process.
Edit: to add some balance to this, in a practical sense, there is always going to be an element ‘illegal dumping’, it’s plants are not going to have 100% uptime, be that mechanical failure or because people flush all sorts down the drains that they shouldn’t. It’s how the company responds to those failures that’s the issue.
Ours is with Portsmouth Water for supply but wastewater is covered by southern water so we get 2 smaller bills.How are some of these so cheap?
Requested increases by 2030
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How are some of these so cheap?
Requested increases by 2030
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Must still be quite cheap?Ours is with Portsmouth Water for supply but wastewater is covered by southern water so we get 2 smaller bills.