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With all the news lately that the oceans are literally full of plastic, I'm finding it hard to believe that this has crept up on the scientific community. I think it's safe to assume this hasn't happened overnight so why are we only finding out recently? It all seems rather odd. :confused:
 
Well, ok.

* Which news?
* 'Literally' doesn't mean what you think it means.
* Has the scientific community had this creep up on them?
* Are we only finding out about this recently?
* It does seem rather odd but not for the reasons you're indicating.
 
With all the news lately that the oceans are literally full of plastic, I'm finding it hard to believe that this has crept up on the scientific community. I think it's safe to assume this hasn't happened overnight so why are we only finding out recently? It all seems rather odd. :confused:

This has been known about and reported on for years. What rock have you been living under?
 
With all the news lately that the oceans are literally full of plastic, I'm finding it hard to believe that this has crept up on the scientific community. I think it's safe to assume this hasn't happened overnight so why are we only finding out recently? It all seems rather odd. :confused:
Because it took David Attenborough to bring common knowledge to commoners without knowledge.

Its some level of ignorance to not know about this. I've been snapping loops of plastic for 30 years because they end up tangling fish in the sea.
 
Its some level of ignorance to not know about this. I've been snapping loops of plastic for 30 years because they end up tangling fish in the sea.

This.

I remember watching something (think it was Blue Peter) when I was about 10 (25 years ago) about wildlife being strangled by 4 pack plastic hoops, not to mention it's pretty obvious when you can find 10 year old shopping bags in every hedgerow in the country...
 
Aye it's been known that there was a problem for decades, but not necessarily how big it is because a lot of it was known to one group/profession or another but not necessarily others or people simply didn't register that their experience wasn't unusual, but was actually the norm.
There have for example been cases of waste from accidents in shipping that have been studied for years (one such case relates to a shipping container of plastic bath ducks which have been tracked for years), or cataloguing things like waste food packaging from 30+ years ago that has been washed ashore in an identifiable form.

I think they're also starting to actively look and research it as a worldwide, multi discipline thing now, where before it was largely being researched in small groups and some of the tests to see the really small particles are only just getting to the point where they are can be used reliably.

I would love to use less plastic, or at least be able to recycle more of it, but things like plastic bags/film can't go in our normal recycling bins, and the only place in town with a suitable collection point is a shop I don't go near very often (even the tip doesn't have a container for them), so for plastic bags I end up with a load of them in the boot of the car until I go near that one shop (and hopefully their bin is not stuffed completely full).
 
We've been told about recycling for decades now, we just don't use it properly in the UK. For years it's been outsourced to people who don't actuator recycle responsibly.

People are now realising because of media which is good. But on another note I saw a clip on BBC news the other week about a 5 mile long 1 mile wide iceberg of plastic in Barbados. Why has nothing been done?

Money.

no one will pay for a 'plastic trawler' as it isn't profitable. Therefore the **** will just float there until someone with a moral conscience and money comes along to fix it.
 
Councils only recycle if there is money in it. Nothing to do with saving the environment even if that is touted.
 
It was the easy option, it did the job with the maximum of effectiveness and the minimum of cost, and we kept using it until we advanced far enough to see where the cost really lay.

That doesnt just apply to plastic either.

The thing is it got popular because it's good, take a look around and realise just how little would remain if you suddenly took all the plastic and it's derivatives away.

The problem is we used it so much it became easier to use it instead of other materials that would have been better suited, or even just because it was the done thing.

Perfect example i referenced in another thread recently is tools, i bought a set of torx drivers off amazon and the package was thus:
-hardened steel tool rods- fair enough that's a good material for a driver
-Plastic overmoulded handles- a good choice, durable, cheap, easily manufactured, immune to corrosion
-cardboard slip advertising the brand and sizes of the torx drivers- why, the brand name is moulded into the handle and the size is marked on the steel rod, so why bother repeating that information?
-hard plastic blister pack- ok, so that was overkill, your using plastic to protect something made of plastic and hardened steel, why? If theyre so easily damaged that a plastic blister pack will protect them then they cant do their intended job.
-massively oversized amazon box- ok, so sure it's cardboard, but wasnt the whole point of the plastic blister pack to protect the item? That would have been enough, and why so massively oversized? Seriously i know you do a range of box sizes and i know that some of the smaller sizes will fit the product perfectly. So why have you send me a freakin microwave box!?


That's just one example, but it's by no means alone. As a society we've become very wasteful, being more prepared to throw away or recycle than to repair and reuse.

Today i helped a freind of mine get a free chainsaw, had been given to him to "take to the dump, it's broken", all we did was tune it and aside from a bit of oil and blade wear it's ready to cut trees for years to come.

But what got me there was the carburettor needles, they werent screws, they were round flat pegs with a single side ground off (think of the shape of a transistor), and as such it was a massive pita to adjust them by jamming a screwdriver into the gap between the flat and the housing.

And why was this done? To stop people messing with it, so that most people wouldnt bother trying to re-tune it when it eventually needed done, so that they could sell you a whole new chainsaw or charge an extorsionate dealer rate to fix it.

Once again, its not just woodsmans equipment, its everything from mobile phones (remember when a screen replacement could be done in an hour with nothing but a flatblade screwdriver?) To washing machines or even your car.

Recycling is better than throwing something away, but better yet is not throwing it away in the first place.
 
Well, ok.

* Which news?
* 'Literally' doesn't mean what you think it means.
* Has the scientific community had this creep up on them?
* Are we only finding out about this recently?
* It does seem rather odd but not for the reasons you're indicating.


You know what? Imma chime in here, hopefully with summat reasonable for once, might make sense, might not, might be 4am, might whatever:

Shut the hell up Mags.

There. I said it. Waaaa.


(ye ok m8 totes loves all round and all that jazz)
 
It's been a known problem for decades but it's only now that the the scale of the problem is apparent, what with those micro plastics being found literally everywhere now, even in fresh spring water. I think that particular issue has been a catalyst for this country to take a fresh look at plastic in general.

I went to Frankie and bennies with the family a few days ago, they've started using cardboard straws now. Thats gonna take some getting used to. It made me drink my coke faster through fear of the straw falling apart...and it did lol.

Councils only recycle if there is money in it. Nothing to do with saving the environment even if that is touted.

Councils are on the back foot, they need to be saving money not spending it. They're up against residents who already think they pay too much council tax.
 
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I went to Frankie and bennies with the family a few days ago, they've started using cardboard straws now. Thats gonna take some getting used to. It made me drink my coke faster through fear of the straw falling apart...and it did lol.

Note to self, cup to mouth, leave the straws in the holder.
 
With all the news lately that the oceans are literally full of plastic, I'm finding it hard to believe that this has crept up on the scientific community. I think it's safe to assume this hasn't happened overnight so why are we only finding out recently? It all seems rather odd. :confused:
We aren't just finding out, it's been known for decades.
 
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