Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

NICE that on a mountain bike? You gotta stick to the roads on a racer. Haha why the power hate for Withernsea, heard it a few times? Might try running to Spurn Point. I wish Flamborough was closer, definitely cycling there this spring/summer!

MTB as a kid, ride a roadie now and cycle to easington/hornsea occasionally. Withernsea is the hell hole I had to go to school at. Did not enjoy it one bit.

Spurn and Flamborough also good places to cycle to. Love Flamborough Head in the summer.
 
OK, buckle up, it's going to be a long post! :p

Before discussing mileage more, it's better to explain summer/winter first and general base fitness. End of the day, have years of base fitness built up is the fundemental thing here. I'm constantly coming 2nd and 3rd to guys I can smash in sessions but over tough courses especially cross country they just have this edge on me, they have all been running for 10 years more than me. Never underestimate the strength and determination that can come from having years and years of a solid base of fitness.

Winter - Should use this as your higher mileage time, longer session types etc. Winter is when you want to be building your base. So your long run be longer, more miles on your steady runs and your sessions should be the likes of 1k/1mile reps, hills, tough tempos and fartleks. You will also be running XC rather than road and certainly not track.

Summer - More speed and quality work. Less miles. This si where you turn that hard graft winter base into speed and improve yourself physically. Longer run shorter in favour of speeding it up a bit and your sessions should alternate a bit more, it's good to keep long rep sessions in but you want to be doing speed work also 200's/400's, hill sprints as well as drills and circuits working on your form. Strides after your runs to keep the pop in your legs and factoring in tapers properly so you peak for the races you are targetting.

I know above doesn't really apply to all, most people target few races and wouldn't really split their season so much like this but it's a good fundemental value I am trying to explain from a point of view of a higher mileage guy if that makes sense.

Mileage - Some will tell you otherwise but mileage is so important. For 5K up guys, it is insanely important. I know 35min 10K guys who are good, running 30 miles a week and think guys running 80 miles a week are wasting their time. But I mean these guys are matching people in sessions but then running 4 mins quicker over 10k. Consistent and quality structured mileage is vastly important, the world leaders you see over 5k are running over 100 miles a week, that takes a lot of building towards but consistent mileage is as important as that weekly speed session. The more you do something the more your body naturally adapts and develops to allow you to do it with more efficiency. Ask any decent runner from the 80's (when running in the UK was insane!) and they were all running big miles, it was standard.... Do not make getting to 50 miles a week your goal though, see base fitness, that all comes with increasing your base fitness, increasing your capabilities and all of this takes time. You need to be adding in the tempos, speed sessions and adding the mileage all in nice balance. For complete newcomers to running, I would advise geting to say 20 mile weeks off of 3/4 runs per week then making one of those runs a session and then building from that, so 4 runs a week, one of which is a session, once you manage this, 25 mile week, simply add a mile to each of your easy runs and maintain the session and then move onto 5 runs per week and drop that extra mile. There is no strict rules, can be done so many ways depending on the runner and their lifestyle/work/abilities/focus..... Anyone give me a shout if you want to structure something, happy to help.

I realise I am blabbering, I could write triple this and still be covering far too many things in a oner and confusing you so it's easier to answer specifics if you have questions as it's always more relevant to individuals then. I will give you a more in depth typical week from the last one from my training so you can see, feel free to ask away I love to help when I can:

Monday AM-60mins S&C, lunges, squats, calf raises, leg press.
Monday PM- 9m easy w/ 6x 150m strides = 59mins

Tuesday AM- 4m easy recovery = 31mins
Tuesday PM-8x800 w/2mins recovery, 9.3m total

Wednesday AM-off
Wednesday PM- 10miles easy = 66mins

Thursday AM- 4m easy recovery = 31mins
Thursday PM- 12x300m w/1min recovery then 1mile@4:50pace = 7.5m total.

Friday AM- S&C lats, shoulders, calf raises, core work
Friday PM- 6m easy = 41mins

Saturday AM- 5m tempo,aim was 5k under 16:40=DONE. 9.25m total.
Saturday PM- 5.75m recovery in 41mins

Sunday AM- 15m easy in 1hr41mins
Sunday PM- Core work with med ball and eliptical band. Lunges and drills.

Every evening is at least 25mins on the foam roller and using The Stick to sort out my calves. I got a sports massage on that Sunday PM also. This was a week in May 2014 after I had a terrible 5000m on the track and ran 16:08 on the Sunday before this week started.

Just ask away if anything, apologies for the length of this. I can do an example winter week if you want as well and happy to help anyone with weekly plans.
 
Also check out this awesome route right on my back doorstep. It's 27K of countryside, running on an old railway route that's now a lovely smooth dirt path between farms, trees and a few lakes.

I have something the same right outside my door (goes about 15 miles in both directions from my house.

The only issue I have with it (and probably the same as yours as its an old railway track) is it is very flat so no hills.... I preferred to go round the country roads around me which are hilly as heck which, I believe, is better than flat all the time as it gets you used to hills and an ever changing incline throughout the run (a couple are 20% inclines for about a 1/4 mile which was tough)
 
I have a few aims for this year and currently focusing on three races in the short term and wouldn't mind a few tips as long as you have the time.

Races are:

Trafford 10K - Sunday 8th March (Target Sub 40)
Wilmslow Half Marathon - Sunday 22nd March (Target Sub 1:29)
Manchester Marathon - Sunday 18th April (Target Sub 3.15)

So the 10K is 4 weeks away, the HM 6 and the Marathon 10.

This week so far and going forward has been

Monday - Rest (Usually 5-7m at 7.30 minute miles)
Tuesday 5.5m /41.10 (7.35 Avg)
Wednesday 6.5m / 46:56 (7.13 Avg)
Thursday 4.65m / 38.51 (8.22 Avg)
Friday - Rest
Saturday - 8m at around 7.45/8.00 per mile.
Sunday - 16m at around 8.30 per mile.

Longest run at the moment was on Sunday at 14.7m in 1:51:13

Any runs stand out as being to quick or to slow for the targets given and anything that you'd change? That said Thursday is a social run so don't always have control over it (unless I drop it of course).
 
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I have a few aims for this year and currently focusing on three races in the short term and wouldn't mind a few tips as long as you have the time.

Races are:

Trafford 10K - Sunday 8th March (Target Sub 40)
Wilmslow Half Marathon - Sunday 22nd March (Target Sub 1:29)
Manchester Marathon - Sunday 18th April (Target Sub 3.15)

So the 10K is 4 weeks away, the HM 6 and the Marathon 10.

This week so far and going forward has been

Monday - Rest (Usually 5-7m at 7.30 minute miles)
Tuesday 5.5m /41.10 (7.35 Avg)
Wednesday 6.5m / 46:56 (7.13 Avg)
Thursday 4.65m / 38.51 (8.22 Avg)
Friday - Rest
Saturday - 8m at around 7.45/8.00 per mile.
Sunday - 16m at around 8.30 per mile.

Longest run at the moment was on Sunday at 14.7m in 1:51:13

Any runs stand out as being to quick or to slow for the targets given and anything that you'd change? That said Thursday is a social run so don't always have control over it (unless I drop it of course).

initial obs. Long runs are to quick and short runs lack pace and speed work given your aims. Time for bed now.
 
I finished Couch to 5K a month ago by doing my local Parkrun in 33:41. I just did my second Parkrun in 27:05. Pleased with the progress - not bad for a prop forward.
 
I finished Couch to 5K a month ago by doing my local Parkrun in 33:41. I just did my second Parkrun in 27:05. Pleased with the progress - not bad for a prop forward.

At this rate of progress you'll be finished in about 15 minutes by your fourth run. :p :D

But more seriously well done, it's good to see the progress and long may it continue. I'm actually just back from my local Parkrun, it's only the second time I've volunteered but it was good fun apart from my hands starting to go a little bit numb. It's great that so many people get themselves up on a Saturday morning for a run and to meet friends.
 
Nice post xdcx. Will read in more depth tomorrow. Cheers.

Today's LSR:
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310m of elevation so pretty happy with it. Felt good afterwards. Just filled up the tank with fish and chips and had a nap on the sofa. Few beers tonight, first of the year believe it or not!

In terms of training, I think I'm on track for the Manchester marathon on April 19. The the GNW half on 22nd Feb to put a marker down. :p
 
I have a few aims for this year and currently focusing on three races in the short term and wouldn't mind a few tips as long as you have the time.

Races are:

Trafford 10K - Sunday 8th March (Target Sub 40)
Wilmslow Half Marathon - Sunday 22nd March (Target Sub 1:29)
Manchester Marathon - Sunday 18th April (Target Sub 3.15)

So the 10K is 4 weeks away, the HM 6 and the Marathon 10.

This week so far and going forward has been

Monday - Rest (Usually 5-7m at 7.30 minute miles)
Tuesday 5.5m /41.10 (7.35 Avg)
Wednesday 6.5m / 46:56 (7.13 Avg)
Thursday 4.65m / 38.51 (8.22 Avg)
Friday - Rest
Saturday - 8m at around 7.45/8.00 per mile.
Sunday - 16m at around 8.30 per mile.

Longest run at the moment was on Sunday at 14.7m in 1:51:13

Any runs stand out as being to quick or to slow for the targets given and anything that you'd change? That said Thursday is a social run so don't always have control over it (unless I drop it of course).

Sorry for the delay!!

Too much easy/steady mileage is all I would say you are doing wrong. See for your delibertately easy type runs forget the minute mile pace, learn to run by feel. Run comfortable, ease into it. If it is saying you are doing 7:45 miles and you feel fine, just go with it. 3 days later, same run and you are doing 8:30's, go with it. Run by feel and relax. Your easy days should be EASY and your hard days should be HARD.

Monday - 5/7m - do this as easy, relaxed get the miles in.
Tuesday - 5/6m - As above, throw in some relaxed 100m strides at the end.
Wednesday - Session day - Tempo time! See * below.
Thursday - Keep this social one, very easy, this is your recovery run.
Friday - Rest - Yes, strict rest day, do core work or swim if you wanna do something.
Saturday - 8m at around 7.45/8.00 per mile - Fine enough keep this as easy but throw in some simple fartlek efforts, 1min hard, 1 min easy. 90secs hard, 2 mins easy. Mix it up a bit. also a good day for hill work or get a steady run in and do some 100m strides again at the end of your run.
Sunday - 16m at around 8.30 per mile - Keep this around 16m for now, coming to your marathon you are going to need to get this to around 24m 3 weeks before the mara IMO. So your racing schedule looks good, but in reality it can be seen as bad also, it's a bit crammed for the distance upping but don't worry.

* Tempo - This is your go to session. People hate them and avoid them, for a reason, they are tough. Base this on your 10k goal for now I would guess for like 39min 10k you will want to be basing your tempo on pacing at 6:45 per mile. That's a good basis to go by. 2 mile warmup 2 mile tempo, 2 mile cooldown, that's where you want to start and build this to a 5 mile tempo over time. Might sound tough, but if you cannot hit that pace over 5 miles in training you won't run it for a 10k race. I'd honestly factor in a tempo weekly to your schedule.

If you want to go more into workouts, let me know. Tempo's is straight off the bat but I can give you some decent fartleks as well to alernate it and also I'd probably have you intro hills and 1k's initially before looking at other stuff I could help you with. This is me thinking after this bout of races you have planned though, don't get too caried away before these as they are mere weeks away now. I'd honestly say save this advice for now and get through your races using bits and bobs of this, I would not advise you into this sort of stuff now so close to these races so keep at what you are doing as you are seeing improvement but there is easy gains to be made by you so long as you go about it correctly ;)
 
Sorry for the delay!!

Too much easy/steady mileage is all I would say you are doing wrong. See for your delibertately easy type runs forget the minute mile pace, learn to run by feel. Run comfortable, ease into it. If it is saying you are doing 7:45 miles and you feel fine, just go with it. 3 days later, same run and you are doing 8:30's, go with it. Run by feel and relax. Your easy days should be EASY and your hard days should be HARD.

Monday - 5/7m - do this as easy, relaxed get the miles in.
Tuesday - 5/6m - As above, throw in some relaxed 100m strides at the end.
Wednesday - Session day - Tempo time! See * below.
Thursday - Keep this social one, very easy, this is your recovery run.
Friday - Rest - Yes, strict rest day, do core work or swim if you wanna do something.
Saturday - 8m at around 7.45/8.00 per mile - Fine enough keep this as easy but throw in some simple fartlek efforts, 1min hard, 1 min easy. 90secs hard, 2 mins easy. Mix it up a bit. also a good day for hill work or get a steady run in and do some 100m strides again at the end of your run.
Sunday - 16m at around 8.30 per mile - Keep this around 16m for now, coming to your marathon you are going to need to get this to around 24m 3 weeks before the mara IMO. So your racing schedule looks good, but in reality it can be seen as bad also, it's a bit crammed for the distance upping but don't worry.

* Tempo - This is your go to session. People hate them and avoid them, for a reason, they are tough. Base this on your 10k goal for now I would guess for like 39min 10k you will want to be basing your tempo on pacing at 6:45 per mile. That's a good basis to go by. 2 mile warmup 2 mile tempo, 2 mile cooldown, that's where you want to start and build this to a 5 mile tempo over time. Might sound tough, but if you cannot hit that pace over 5 miles in training you won't run it for a 10k race. I'd honestly factor in a tempo weekly to your schedule.

If you want to go more into workouts, let me know. Tempo's is straight off the bat but I can give you some decent fartleks as well to alernate it and also I'd probably have you intro hills and 1k's initially before looking at other stuff I could help you with. This is me thinking after this bout of races you have planned though, don't get too caried away before these as they are mere weeks away now. I'd honestly say save this advice for now and get through your races using bits and bobs of this, I would not advise you into this sort of stuff now so close to these races so keep at what you are doing as you are seeing improvement but there is easy gains to be made by you so long as you go about it correctly ;)

All good stuff - I'm too lazy to write that much :P

Given the aims etc. and time to races (i.e. not that far away) I'd put priority on the tempo session and drop the Saturday run, then up the long run but ease the pace by 10/15 secs per mile. Looking to make gains without over doing it and risk injury. The races are fairly close together and I would be concerned if the targets are PBs respectably quicker than current bests....

Thoughts?
 
All good stuff - I'm too lazy to write that much :P

Given the aims etc. and time to races (i.e. not that far away) I'd put priority on the tempo session and drop the Saturday run, then up the long run but ease the pace by 10/15 secs per mile. Looking to make gains without over doing it and risk injury. The races are fairly close together and I would be concerned if the targets are PBs respectably quicker than current bests....

Thoughts?

Yeah I mean you have nailed it, for those 3 races we kind of need to know what your primary focus is IG? Is it PB over marathon or what distance are you concentrating on? IMO if you are on 30 mile weeks just now, after this racing stint I would concentrate on 10K up to HM for the rest of the year and if you wanna concentrate marathon aim a decent spring time one 2016..... Building a solid base this year of consistent good training, getting up to 50miles a week with really good sessions 2/3 a week concentrating on 10K you will see what running is really about, run a decent HM this early next year and then aim for London Marathon or something.

Firstborn, I'd keep the Saturday run and maybe shorten it, all about consistency, time on feet and getting the miles in, but that is why I realy emphasise not smashing right into running tonnes of miles and getting hurt. No more than 10% more per week for 2 weeks on the trot, then a down week and a 10% increment, down week, 10% increment and so on. The long run is a funny one, for 10K distance of training there is a lot more to gain from the tempo/hills/speed but for marathon the long run holds a lot more substantial benefit. The best guy in my group who ran 2:20 twice now was a believer in running his 20/22 milers on feel, just easing in, getting head down and working but not pushing it. but every 3rd week he would do a hard long run, as in go out hard and run 18 miles properly hard, you would do this on a slightly down week though, not on a peak mileage hard week..... Another VERY good runner I know who trained up here where I live but not with my group and now moved away, he ran 2:19 which was a howler of a race for him, he was insanely fit, he ran a 24 miler HARD LR 3 weeks out from his marathon, I s*** you not he ran 2:07 for 24 miles and that was doing 3 out and back and turning on a canal path. Don't get caught in this thing that 99.9% of runners seem to assume that the Sunday run is an "LSR", long SLOW run, I am completely against that point of view, there is time and place to run it easy and relaxed, never slow or purposely slow, there is as much reason to run it hard, especially for HM/Mara guys.

I would agree with you though, initially drop a few miles off the Saturday as you work towards the marathon to get that LR up to the 20/22 mark come mid/end of March time. But you are absolutely spot on, get those tempo's in no matter what, they are the absolute basis of pace building and maintenance, with a proper test of your fitness flung in and all the re-assurance and positivity that comes when they go well, and being confident of your ability in your head is worth as much as the physical fitness.
 
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Thanks very much xdcx and Firstborn. Very much appreciated that advice.

My current PB's are:

10K - 40:42 (September 14')
HM - 1:30:11 (October 14')
Marathon 3:56:23 (April 13')

So in terms of my targets getting my 10K and HM times isn't to much of an ask given what I've ran already and I know my Marathon target is a big ask but I've been a lot more consistent with my long runs since February last year so do firmly believe I can manage the 3:15 if not at least 3:30. My ultimate aim will be to run a sub 3:00 Marathon but don't mind playing the long game with this one and I'm under no illusions I may not get it this year.

Main aim for these 3 races is hopefully meet all my targets if everything goes well and then summer I'll stay focused but will be running more 5K/10K/HM races. I may do as you recommended xdcx and leave another Marathon until Spring 2016 and focus on the 10K/HM for the rest of the year as well.

Will definitely be taking on board the advice of a tempo run and will adjust my Saturday mileage to suit as well. No issue with running 6 days a week and once I feel I'm consistently strong at doing so I'll add another session on a Tuesday possibly.

Last week I did 44 miles in total so not to far off 50 already which I'm happy with. That said I did do 19.2 miles on Sunday instead of 16 as I felt quite strong and in all honestly it was my own fault as well for underestimating the distance of the second half of the run. I ran 5.3 miles yesterday and 4.5 today both steady and legs are ok if a little heavy.

Would you do a tempo tomorrow if you were me or leave it until next week given the extra mileage on Sunday?
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to create your own workouts for runtastic? The interval ones it comes with are great for getting the pace right, but it would be useful to have the same audio cues for other runs. Pace updates every 500m are useful but i'm never sure if it means in total or just for that last 500m...
 
Thanks very much xdcx and Firstborn. Very much appreciated that advice.

My current PB's are:

10K - 40:42 (September 14')
HM - 1:30:11 (October 14')
Marathon 3:56:23 (April 13')

So in terms of my targets getting my 10K and HM times isn't to much of an ask given what I've ran already and I know my Marathon target is a big ask but I've been a lot more consistent with my long runs since February last year so do firmly believe I can manage the 3:15 if not at least 3:30. My ultimate aim will be to run a sub 3:00 Marathon but don't mind playing the long game with this one and I'm under no illusions I may not get it this year.

Main aim for these 3 races is hopefully meet all my targets if everything goes well and then summer I'll stay focused but will be running more 5K/10K/HM races. I may do as you recommended xdcx and leave another Marathon until Spring 2016 and focus on the 10K/HM for the rest of the year as well.

Will definitely be taking on board the advice of a tempo run and will adjust my Saturday mileage to suit as well. No issue with running 6 days a week and once I feel I'm consistently strong at doing so I'll add another session on a Tuesday possibly.

Last week I did 44 miles in total so not to far off 50 already which I'm happy with. That said I did do 19.2 miles on Sunday instead of 16 as I felt quite strong and in all honestly it was my own fault as well for underestimating the distance of the second half of the run. I ran 5.3 miles yesterday and 4.5 today both steady and legs are ok if a little heavy.

Would you do a tempo tomorrow if you were me or leave it until next week given the extra mileage on Sunday?

Sounds good man and not a problem with the advice, happy to help out.

Sounds to me your head is screwed on right as you are willing to leave the mara until next year, I'd honestly do just that, you cannot run a fast marathon until you can run fast over 10k/HM so focus on those, get the base in and the mileage and then move up.

My honest thoughts here is that you seem to have come from the "I wanna do a marathon" camp, you've done it and you got the bug and want to train properly and shoot at some goals. There really is a big difference in mentality towards races in running circles. Are you in a club by the way? Who is your local club??

If you ran 40:42 focus on the consistent up keep of 40/50 mile weeks, incoporating some faster running through tempo and fartlek, you will be under 39 based on that alone going by the rate of your progress, no, I am not kidding. Consistency and getting that base in and doing the right things, sub 40 is nothing for you, trust me. It's just about doing the right things.

See how you feel tomorrow AM, if you feel refreshed and not heavy, fire into the tempo, but take the rest of the week down, run les this week after the tempo. If there is any doubt in your head, heavy, tired, fatigue, niggle, just back off. ALWAYS. Please listen to that advice more than anything, I have learnt the hard way into double digit amount of times now and got injured. Only you know how you feel and if you are training on your own mostly even more so listen to your body. If you feel great tomorrow, do the tempo. Don't worry about what miles you done Sunday, you could have done 9 on Sunday and feel like crap tomorrow or you could have done 20 and feel busrting with energy. Numbers and calculations are in your head and that's where they need to be, your body and listening to it is what you need listen to. Hope that makes sense.

What age are you?
What heigh and weight are you?

You don't have to answer but I wouldn't ask if not relevant. Do you measure your HR regularly? If you know resting and Max (I know it's only approx) that will be handy also.
 
Nail on the head right there! When I started running it was mainly to increase fitness and then a friend was doing the London Marathon and for some reason it seemed very appealing. I've done three already and no regrets at all from them but to where I am now I know the times can come down a lot and my training / running mentality is better than it was as well, more focused and dedicated. I did my first marathon in 4:40:00 so I've come a long way already. I'll still be running the Manchester Marathon as it's already booked but I'm not overly fussed by the time and will focus on it next year instead.

I'm not a club runner as of yet but will be joining two different clubs within the next month or so. One for road running and another for fell running. These clubs will likely be Hyde Village Striders for road and Glossopdale Harriers for fell. And I'm definitely of the mentality of pushing myself and seeing what times I'm capable of but do appreciate that peoples have different reasons for racing/running. ;)

I've decided to take this evening off as I'm not feeling very fresh, legs a little unresponsive and knees feel tired so will wait until tomorrow instead and go from there.

And as for age etc.

Age: 28
Height: 5ft 11'
Weight: 12st 2lb / 170 lbs / 77kg

HR is around 56bpm resting having measured it just now (Fingers on wrist method). Max based on 220 - Age = 192
 
Yeah you have definitely got the bug!
Joining a club and running regularly with others will do amazing things for your running, nothing fancy, your mentality towards running just changes, you have both people pushing you and people pushing to run with you. People underestimate the effect of running in a group, it is fantastic.

There is a reason the Kenyans trains in massive groups. Reason all the top runners you see on the telly train in groups. It works, at any level. Mentally and physically it will better you as a runner. So get into a routine with these clubs, get to know them and stick at that, it will do great things for you.

You are a healthy weight, I am honestly not wanting to get into weight and running, it's such a touchy subject between runners especially. All I will say is the more miles you do, the more consistent training you do, you are going to lean out and drop weight. For your longer stuff, if you want to run fast you will need to drop weight but please please please do not take this as me saying "LOSE WEIGHT", all I am saying is this is going to happen if you train the way you plan and want to, you will lose weight, healthily. Do not fear this and no matter what I say, you will worry, but try not to worry about weight. You might sit now thinking what is he talking about, but you will see once you start hitting limits of your natural ability and are training past these, stupid things like weight start playing havoc with you. Don't worry about it!

56bpm resting, that will come down as well. Start doing a check of that each month, I love me some stats and it is good to keep track of this. Last Sunday of every month or something like that take it when you wake up on the morning and are relaxed and chart progress of this. Max HR is a funny one, I don't think you will hit 192 based on experimenting with many people in my group, but some people have really weird HR's, you might be a freak of nature! If you are keen to get your actual max and have a HR monitor let me know I'll give you a wee session to do to find your nearest approx max HR.... Mine was actually 192 measured during V02 and lactate threshold testing but I have never ever got it over 189 in actual training even during balls out 200's, I have tried, but cannot achieve my physical max so it's all relative in a way.
 
well I think I may have torn my calf again.... goddammit. Next appointment with my Physio is next week, so will get a full assessment from him then. Not as severe as last time, there is no hematoma, and I can walk on it fine, so maybe I'm just being overly cautious.

Had a slight twinge before my long run, massaged through it, and was fine for most of it. Just an occasional twinge, and I'll admit I feared it tightening up, but it didn't. However after the run it felt a little tight. Worked through it with my sprint stick. By the evening it just felt really sore, but has not affected walking. So I'm not totally sure if there is damage, or I've just bruised it myself massaging it. Holding off running, and any weights using my leg, until after the physio session.
 
just be careful I've a torn meniscus torn through wear and tear.... :(

Did 750 KM before it went though... went for no reason just doing a light 5K at a slowish pace.

Good news it's clean no other damage and in 6 weeks after op I can run again. Its the waiting for the op that's killing me.
 
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