Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Ran a 20 Mile race on Sunday. Came in at 2.31.46 (7.32 per mile).

Happy with the result as havn't done enough long runs to go much quicker at the moment. First 7 miles were a little bit to quick and started to feel it from mile 13 onwards and pace started dropping every 3 miles.

Confident that using this as a base to start from now that I can get this down to around 2.10/2.15 next time I run the distance as a race (most likely September).
 
Ran a 20 Mile race on Sunday. Came in at 2.31.46 (7.32 per mile).

Happy with the result as havn't done enough long runs to go much quicker at the moment. First 7 miles were a little bit to quick and started to feel it from mile 13 onwards and pace started dropping every 3 miles.

Confident that using this as a base to start from now that I can get this down to around 2.10/2.15 next time I run the distance as a race (most likely September).

That is a good time for that distance. Pacing is key over than length, ideally you want to negative split and trun the last miels faster than the first.... easier said than done



I'm just taking a rest day today.
 
That is a good time for that distance. Pacing is key over than length, ideally you want to negative split and trun the last miels faster than the first.... easier said than done



I'm just taking a rest day today.

Thank You :)

Next long race is potentially the Rock&Roll Liverpool Marathon on 29th May. So 10 weeks left to get my long runs in, get my niggles sorted and try a more evenly paced run.
 
Try running your long runs slow for the first half and then progressively speed up. Not every time mind, because it induces a lot of fatigue and needs decent recovery time, but it helps you learn a good pacing strategy and to force a slower start, plus toughens you up mentally and physically for the last 1/3rd of a race.
 
All quiet in here lately, hope everything is recovering for you DP and PermaBanned.

Nice 11.3 with my brother today, chatting most of the way and ended with a average 153bpm and 8:16/mi, just what I needed I think ahead of race following Sunday (with my brother as well).

Will do 2-3 easy 45min runs in the week and either Friday or Saturday a super easy 30 min jog to get me ready.

Not even done my first 1/2 of the year and planning on at least 2 more and maybe 2-3 10k's as well! At this rate my bike won't get much of a look in this year!
 
Yeah, only two runs for me this week (~10k yesterday and ~5k the day before) as I've been pretty exhausted from the work I've been doing, and will be doing for another week. I am commuting about 25km each day bike bike though so hopefully I won't lose much fitness. Think I'm losing a bit of weight too, but we'll see when I get back.
 
After last weeks race my legs have been in an absolute mess so only managed to run twice.

5.8 miles or so on Tuesday just to get them moving and ticking over again (plus it's my weekly social run) and 13.3 miles or so today. Felt laboured today and my legs are still very tired but just happy to get the miles in to be honest.

Need to see my physio again and have my glute/hamstring massaged as it feels very similar to one I possible tore it in October. :(
 
I'm taking it easy this week in the run up to the Reading Half.

Hope I can get close to my last race performance but I've not really been running that well since my 1:23:19 at Hampton Court.

Almost said "will see you there" but 1:23 is way above my pay grade! I managed a 1:37 at the Marlow half last year but running with my brother at Reading and not put as much effort in to training this time so aiming for 1:40 if I can push my brother a little, he's not overly confident but today showed me he's got plenty available for race day.
 
Almost said "will see you there" but 1:23 is way above my pay grade! I managed a 1:37 at the Marlow half last year but running with my brother at Reading and not put as much effort in to training this time so aiming for 1:40 if I can push my brother a little, he's not overly confident but today showed me he's got plenty available for race day.

Get a Beet-It shot for race day. That stuff is like EPO.:D
 
I'm assuming its based on Beetroot?

Beetroot is said to increase the amount of oxygen your blood can carry and is effective quite quickly after eating it.

Yup, it's this stuff http://www.wiggle.co.uk/beet-it-pro-elite-shot-15-x-70ml/

I take it an hour before a race. I don't use it for training, only race day. This is purely anecdotal, but I do notice the difference in performance when I use it although that could also just be race adrenaline.

That said, studies have shown that nitrates (found in high concentration in beetroot and spinach) improve mitochondrial efficiency.
 
All quiet in here lately, hope everything is recovering for you DP and PermaBanned.

Nice 11.3 with my brother today, chatting most of the way and ended with a average 153bpm and 8:16/mi, just what I needed I think ahead of race following Sunday (with my brother as well).

Will do 2-3 easy 45min runs in the week and either Friday or Saturday a super easy 30 min jog to get me ready.

Not even done my first 1/2 of the year and planning on at least 2 more and maybe 2-3 10k's as well! At this rate my bike won't get much of a look in this year!



That was a good 11.3m run, decent pace and HR.



I went 6.5m Thusday and felt a little better but still not right. Friday I woke up ever so slightly worse than the Thursday so decided to skip running because I was heading out on vacation anyway. Arrive at hotel and it was raining outside so decided to play with daughter in swimming poo l- big mistake. It had a really slippy metal bottom and at one point I just lost my footing and slipped, stretching my bad hip flexor and experienced stabbing pain! The pain eased and we went out walking around in the afternoon and my leg felt way better. So much so that Saturday I tried to run again but was clearly not a good idea, stopped at 3miles and walked back to hotel. Sunday I rested.


This morning I went out and had the best run since the injury but still not 100% comfortable. 7miles slowly in 1 hour. HR was stupidly high for the pace, kind of ignoring that as it is probably related to the injury.


I've basically given up on my goals for my upcoming marathon, 2 weeks without training and still not able to properly run. I may not bother starting and instead will focus on a marathon at the end of the year with a slightly different training schedule - no intervals or tempo runs at all but boding to multiple 18-20m runs with goal pace finishes occasionally thrown in, keeping my mileages at the 70-85 range but an occasional 100m week with 50-60 ether side, and some weight work in the gym to strength legs. This should limit injury risks but improve pacing for a 3 hour marathon.
 
I'm starting to really think my body wasn't built for running....
I'm getting pain in my ankle, which just happens to be it the right place for Sinus Tarsi Syndrome.
I'm not saying it is, I'll need to go to the doctor (again), but I'm thinking I'll have to stop trying to be a runner. I just have a new problem every month :(
 
Sorry about that. Unfortunately running is a fairly high risk activity if you try to be competitive and train for faster times. If you take it completely casually and just do 3-4 easy runs a week at a slow pace then its safe as houses, if you want to get your race times down then you have to push yourself to force adaptions and then the risk of injury increases rapidly sadly. The stats for runners are really not that encouraging, between 37-56% chance of an injury every year! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1439399

If you have sufficient mental strength then it is easy to push yourself too hard, beyond your bodies limits, just as I found out recently. If you are determined then it is relatively easy to push beyond safe limits for your current muscular-skeletal condition t handle - running intervals too hard, too many long runs, running all your runs too fast, not enough recovery time etc. It gets hard to simply run at 9:30 a mile for 5 miles when you find it easy to run 7:30 a mile for 12 miles but the latter increase injury risk exponentially.

There are a couple of issues. Primarily, your ability your increase cardiovascular fitness is orders of magnitude faster than increasing muscular-skeletal condition. In a few months you can raise your CV fitness a lot, especially with interval training and the like. But getting your bones, ligaments, tendons, organs, muscles to cope with the increase speed, increased force and increased repetitive pounding can take years. The faster your run the higher the impact force and the greater the injury risk. The other factor is that there isn't really a skill or technique to running, its just fitness based, so you can very quickly ramp up your running speed and running distance simultaneously withut your body having time to strengthen. Compared to say swimming where there is a load of technique involved.

As I realize now there is no fast track to being a fast runner. You can easily train harder, that is ironically is the easy part, but training harder will tend to push your body beyond its limits. You have to train slower and have longer term goals. The fact that marathon training schedules are all 12-18 weeks probably doesn't help. Its probably better to imagine 6-9 months of training, with the first 3-6 months simply a very slow and steady build up before you have a final 2-3 months of specific training with a little more intensity.
 
that all sounds too familiar to how I feel really,
Hill run was yesterday, downhill was when the pain came.

I can defiantly push myself through runs at speed/distance, but yeah I have no way of telling how the tendons/ligaments are doing until something goes....

I'm going to skip the runs this week, hopefully I'll be able to long run at the weekend.
I'll drop the distance instead of going for an increased distance.... I just want to get through this marathon I have coming up, I don't have enough faith that I can grit through it without practicing more distance
 
Here is a good article http://www.runnersworld.com/health/the-10-laws-of-injury-prevention.

Researchers have found a correlation between injuries and frequent race efforts. This connection might extend to speedwork since intervals also require a near-maximal effort. So if you train fast once or twice a week and then race on the weekend, that's a lot of hard efforts without sufficient rest, particularly if you follow this pattern week after week. Some experts are cautious about recommending regular speed training for certain runners, especially those who get hurt easily. It's fine for those chasing podium placements or age-group awards. But for mid-and back-of-the-packers? "You might get five percent faster, but your injury risk could climb by 25 percent," Verran says. "That's a bad risk-benefit ratio. I think most runners can hit their goals without going harder than tempo pace."



This is important:
Even Olympic gold medalists only do five to 10 percent of their training at 5-K race pace and faster.

I read an interesting article a few months back that showed that the elite/pro/Olympic team Marathon runners do speed work about 5-10% of their training, but middle of the pack running do something like 15-30% while those trying to get age group wins in local races do 20-35% under the belief that more time running faster will lead to faster races, when quite obviously the opposite is true for the Pros.

The fastest marathoners on the planet do a lot of runs at 8-8:30 a mile when they race at 4:30 a mile - that should make you think.
 
That is pretty interesting,
I dunno my best approach, I'm aiming for the edin marathon.

That gives me 8 weeks, and my long run at the weekend was 15 miles and I felt fine the next day.
I dunno if I should go for 2 weeks rest, then do nothing but easy runs. And long run on the weekend. Cut out the hills and fast paced stuff.
Rest at this stage just feels like I'm losing valuable training
 
that all sounds too familiar to how I feel really,
Hill run was yesterday, downhill was when the pain came.

I can defiantly push myself through runs at speed/distance, but yeah I have no way of telling how the tendons/ligaments are doing until something goes....

I'm going to skip the runs this week, hopefully I'll be able to long run at the weekend.
I'll drop the distance instead of going for an increased distance.... I just want to get through this marathon I have coming up, I don't have enough faith that I can grit through it without practicing more distance


it is exactly how I broke my body 3 weeks back. Had an interval session planned and it was meant to be harder and longer with more repetitions. Pushed myself super hard, all felt great and I got really good times but I damaged my hip flexor. I tend to do intervals as hard as I can, push myself mentally and try and get faster and faster laps, when actually they should be only about 95% of max HR. I then made things worse my slogging through an 18 mile run a few days later in mild discomfort, I thought I was just being mentally tough to compete a long run and not pussy out due to tired legs. It was relatively easy just to ignore the signs, ignore the discomfort and keep push mile after mile but the signs were black and white, I should have stopped after a few miles and walked home.

My injury could ave been minimized -if I ran my intervals slower I liekly would not have got injured. My training plan was short and I missed some training due to travel so mentally I wanted to make each day count so I was less willing to give up on my long run. This was compounded by the fact that the following 2 days I would not be able t run at all so had a long recovery, which just made it easy to push on mentally. I was very determined to do the best I can for my upcoming marathon I just pushed mentally. Instead If I just relaxed and didn't worry about upcoming races or missed training, just in long term multi-year goals I would have maybe not pushed my body to breaking point.

I'm thinking ironman triathlons might be safer training wise because you can push yourself harder mentally since your training is split over 3 sports, the other 2 have much lower injury risks.


Pushing yourself mentally to 100% effort gets you injured running unfortunately.
 
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