Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

I've always liked the look of Ironman's but open water swimming, combined with the people who look like they're climbing on top of each other during it, terrifies me!

I have a friend doing the marathon at the same time as me, he was aiming for ~40 mins slower than I was. I might just drop the training, take the rest, and run with him.
if I'm feeling it on the day, go for a negative split and try harder.
 
I'm a terrible swimmer although ironically I don't mind open water with waves and surf, especially sea water which is more buoyant. Got a long way to go before my swimming is going to be good enough. However, what everyone tells me is the swimming is by far the easiest thing, the cycling is the hardest and most critical, and running is weird because although it is kind of easy you are obviously just utterly exhausted form the previous 6-9 hours of exercise. The swimming in an Ironman is only abut 10% of the time on average and even for a slow swimming about 90-110 minutes 9although if you are a good swimming then is under 60), and you do it completely fresh. Biking takes 50%of the time and it it critical to get that fitness up to leave yourself with a realistic marathon.

I'm just doing a bit of swimming and cycling now and then to slowly build those to a level where maybe next year I could decide to train for an IM. If that doesn't work out i might look at ultra-marathons, which have lower injury risks because you do no speed work at all and tend to do fewer but longer runs so more recovery time
 
A weekend 1:22:01, pfft! Oh well. At least it's almost proper running

This will be my last post in this thread. Too much nonsense these days and far too easy to predict what will be the outcome of ridiculous training schedules based on, ironically, a complete lack of mental effort expended on thinking about the training in context with the trainee.

FB :)
 
firstborn said:
A weekend 1:22:01, pfft! Oh well. At least it's almost proper running
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So close. A really good time though.

firstborn said:
This will be my last post in this thread. Too much nonsense these days and far too easy to predict what will be the outcome of ridiculous training schedules based on, ironically, a complete lack of mental effort expended on thinking about the training in context with the trainee.

FB :)
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It's a pity to read that, it is good to get a range of views and hear what works for others.
 
firstborn said:
A weekend 1:22:01, pfft! Oh well. At least it's almost proper running

This will be my last post in this thread. Too much nonsense these days and far too easy to predict what will be the outcome of ridiculous training schedules based on, ironically, a complete lack of mental effort expended on thinking about the training in context with the trainee.

FB :)
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Good, because all you have posted is completely junk criticizing the renowned training schedules of Olympics class athletes like Jack Daniels and Pete Pfitzinger without providing a single shred of evidence or alternative training. Your posts were far off the mark last time and soundly disproven.
 
Could someone advise me on trail shoes. I'm looking for some new shoes for offroad running. My running club has moved its training sessions into the New Forest now BST is here.

I'll looking for something to use mainly on gravel tracks, with the odd muddy puddle, so nothing to serious.

My road shoes are Ascis Gel Kayano's, so I need a bit of stability and support. There seems to be less choice in trail shoes for over pronators. Is that as it doesn't matter so much, where the terrain is more un-even?

Maybe something like this http://www.asics.co.uk/Shop/Shoes/Trail-Running/Men/GEL-FUJITRABUCO-4/p/0010248299.2393 which seem reasonable at £60
 
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Good, because all you have posted is completely junk criticizing the renowned training schedules of Olympics class athletes like Jack Daniels and Pete Pfitzinger without providing a single shred of evidence or alternative training. Your posts were far off the mark last time and soundly disproven.
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I have not been critical of those training schedules (I have many books and articles by said authors), it's your application of them that needs re-thinking. Doh, I posted again!
 
firstborn said:
I have not been critical of those training schedules (I have many books and articles by said authors), it's your application of them that needs re-thinking. Doh, I posted again!
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And yet you still haven't provided a single piece of advice . Here, i'll give you a chance to redeem yourself:

I am following Pete Pfitinger's 18:70-85 schedule with the following changes.
* I don't run 7 days a week typically, the schedule recovery day of 4m AM and 6PM I skip and will go swimming. I believe a rest day is more important.
* I sometimes skip some of the speed work if I feel fatigued due to increased injury risks. If I felt too fatigued for a quality run then I would shorten the planned run or simply not run at all.
* I try to stick closely to the plan but will occasionally re-arrange days according to weather and business travel, as he suggests.
* I built up my millage at a lower rate than suggested to give more time to adapt. I take on advice from Jack Daniels to look more closely at multi-week averages than be concerned with small fluctuations week to week.


So, what is you advice then? Where do you think my application of Pfiztinger's plan is wrong?
 
In all fairness to Firstborn this thread has become pretty damn boring to read unfortunately and isn't quite what it use to be. Won't be posting much in here myself either. Hope everyone does well regardless of what training plans they follow.

And sometimes it's good to just go and run for the sake of it and not give such a damn about pace or distance. ;)
 
TbH, looks the same as the other running forums I take.part in: peoples daily runs and strava copy &paste, race results and congratulations, complain at the weatger, people.happy with good rns or disparity ted with hard runs, training thoughts, shoe advice and.people recovering from injury, diet. Not sure there is much else to talk about really, especially on ocuk where there is GD for general chit chat.

It is relatively quiet here but don't thinks that's easy to change.
 
Anyway back on topic, I got out and did a nice fun run of about 11m, great to be back out on the road and the weather was perfect.

Hope Permaband and Giraffe feel better.
 
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bearing in mind you'll run the ultra at a slower pace, could actually be easier to train up and run one if injury prone. Just a random thought.
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Hmm, so you actually agree with me, so why try to be so confrontational about it!:(


And no, I'm not digging up dirt. Indigo sea if the thread has become boring so I reading random pages to get an idea of what people posted in the past. Can't say I see any trend. There was a load of junk about barefoot running that has been than milky dropped like a sack of potatoes but it all looks pretty similar, just quieter.
 
D.P. said:
Anyway back on topic, I got out and did a nice fun run of about 11m, great to be back out on the road and the weather was perfect.

Hope Permaband and Giraffe feel better.
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Well I got home from being away for two weeks, during which I didn't really have the time or energy to run much, but now I have a cold too :p Hopefully get over it within a few days then I can start to get back on track, half marathon I was planning on doing is only a few weeks away.
 
Congrats Shamrock, very quick time.

No PB for me but I managed a 1:40:42 chip time, first 8 was not the fastest, my brother was then starting to slow and struggling (he has a cold/man flu so I cut him slack) and told me to leave him behind (I was going to stay with him, honest!). Last 5 miles averaged 7min miles, don't think I would have been able to hold that pace for a full 13, but I certainly feel next time a 1:30-1:35 is on the cards.
 
Nice one!

I can't say I 'enjoyed' the race as such. I felt like I was dying the entire time, especially in that last drag to the stadium!:D

The atmosphere was great though and I was really confused how people were cheering me on by name as I forgot it was written on the race number.:o
 
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The atmosphere was great though and I was really confused how people were cheering me on by name as I forgot it was written on the race number.:o
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Haha, that got me too! It was when someone called both my name and my brothers at the same time, I was looking around to see if I knew them!

Dished out a few high 5's to the kids at the sides, couldn't leave them hanging.
 
Congrats Itchy also, respectable time despite pacing your brother.


I git out for another 11m easy run, very enjoyable in the sun and cool
 
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