Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Finished run no.7 for couch to 5k last night. Feeling a little achy and my appetite has definitely gone up. My armband for my phone arrives today which should be handy, as I'm having to run with phone in one hand and house keys in the other which isn't ideal.

Runkeeper is pretty damn cool too. I'd have been happy to upgrade to pro for a couple of quid but £5.99 a month. lol etc.
 
At what point do you get rid of shoes?

I mean it seems a waste to stop using a shoe at some arbitrary mileage. Strava warned me my main training shoes have done 300mi. If they feel any different, I can't tell.

I will probably just use them until they fall apart!

You can adjust the shoe warning mileage in Strava. 300 is pretty low. The shoe companies normally say 500miles, but they want you to buy more shoes obviously.

I replace mine on condition, If the tread is good, the materials all good, and they still feel good to run in then I keep them. Once I do retire them from running I still use them in the garden or on my bike.
 
I usually start looking for replacements at about 400 miles so I have a new set ready then just judge it based on condition like neilw says, that said I have before though a pair were fine till I tried the new ones on and realised how much the cushioning had gone in the old set.

Today was a nasty lunch run. About 27c with virtually zero wind and I went hilly with intervals on the flats...when I got back to the office the security guard though I had fallen in a river!
 
yes you put on the new pair occasionally and see how much faster you are ! - I carry sorbothane inners across to the new pair - they live long.

On armband did you consider a waist pack, got a small Nathan one, and disturbs me less than extra mass on one arm - but you probably have a lighter phone than my old Nokia.
 
About mesh holes - you can patch up the mesh with mesh sections cut from earlier dead trainers stuck inside with some impact adhesive. (my last pair of ASIC trabucos, before they messed up the design, had that issue - edge of mesh gap was just coincident with big nail)
In the UK, anyway, when I then swapped to adidas supernova 5, bought multiple sizes, and tried around the house before sending back the wrong ones.

I wouldn't worry about holes on the top front caused by toe nails etc. Lots of people will take a knife to their brand new running shoes and cut that toe box right open to expose the toes to the air and avoif any rubbing.

I'm going to do the same to an old pair of running shoes to see what my foot looks like inside the shoes and see if it can reduce the deformed toe nails I get. My big toe is always OK but I have lost most of my other toe nails, which is actually a good thing, the problem is the toe next to my big toe always ends up re-growing some hideous deformed blacked knobbly claw type thing. Only slithly painful after long runs but it is a bugger to hack off and looks disgusting.
 
At what point do you get rid of shoes?

I mean it seems a waste to stop using a shoe at some arbitrary mileage. Strava warned me my main training shoes have done 300mi. If they feel any different, I can't tell.

I will probably just use them until they fall apart!

Most experts say 300-500 miles, that is based on multiple independent scientific studies that show that most running shoes loos 60% of their ability to reduce impact forces in that range. Obviously the shoe companies like to to make people aware of such studies, and are also not in a hurry to design a shoe that lasts 1000 miles etc.

When the shoe looses it ability to reduce impact forces then what happens is your body automatically adjusts your gait and pace to reduce impact forces on the knee and hip joints. that is kind of what started the whole bare-foot movement. The problem is there is no evidence that the gait of bare-foot runners is at all beneficial, quote the opposite in fact. Which is why Vibram were sued for millions due to false advertising their stupid foot glove thingy. There is also mourning evidence that increased cushioning on shoes form brands like Hoka and Altra lead to reduced injury rats.


Here is my anecdotal evidence. Back in February I was ramping up millage and then adding a little speed work while training for a May 1st Marathon. However I was getting increased foot pain and signs of the onset of Plantar Fasciitis. This came to a point where I failed to do a n interval workout due to foot-pain so I went to the running store to buy some shoes with increased cushioning and the guy was shocked at how worn down my current pair of shoes were and said just buy the exact same model and feel the difference. Next day went to the track and did the next set of 6x800ms I had done in months without a single issue., completed the week at 80 miles and not a hint of any issues. The old shoes had done 650 miles and were shot.

End of June this year similar thing. Started to ramp up to 80 mile weeks and foot pain started increasing, looked at the state f the shoes and they were worn done. Logs showed 650 miles, got anew pair and again painless running for the next weeks.

Last week I had foot pain return, soles were worn down, logs showed 500 miles. Got a new pair Saturday and the last few days were much better but this shoe has a little less cushioning and is slightly too small. Still way better than before.




So for me, it is black and white. Once they get to about 500 miles they increase pain and discomfort. This coincides with the sole looking very worn down, but typically the upper shoe looks brand new.



What I do with the old shoe is run with them occasionally for the shortest runs of the week, recovery runs and on tread mills to eek out another 50-100 miles or so. They then become walking shoes, or used in the gym for weights. After that they are used for gardening. Although i go through so many now they switch out quickly.


At my peek running now a pair of shoes lasts 6 weeks:eek:
 
I buy last years models on closeout for half price whenever possible. But the way I look at it is running is dirt cheap compared to sports like cycling. Even if I went through 3 pairs in training for a marathon that costs less than the race entry fee + transport + hotel for 1-2 nights, and combined all of that is much less than the entry fee for an IronMan for example, and multiplying that by 2 still barely gets you a decent set of aero wheels for a bike or a power meter etc.
Swimming is quite cheap for me because I have a free membership through my wife's work, but otherwise that is a new pair of running shoes every month!
 
Mid-summer or so, at least in the US. Running shoes tend to get released mid-summer for the fall marathon season.

The local running stores wont have the excess stock most likely but worth checking. What I do is go to the running store and get my gait analyzed, running shoe looked at, get some tips and buy a new shoe form them. Then once it is worn down buy a close-out from online of the same shoe if possible. Sometimes there are just no close-out discounts available for my desired shoes/size so I just go back to the running store. This way the store gets repeat business in exchange for their services but I cut some of the costs.
 
Is there a particular time of year that running shoes are reduced? E.g. in cycling as you head towards the end of summer/autumn last year's bikes are often on sale.

D.P. is right that there have been lots of big sales recently in the big chain shops e.g. Sweatshop, Run and Become, Runners Need etc but they'll often have sales throughout the year so if you keep a look out and don't need replacements urgently you can find bargains. I'll probably start looking out for a new pair of trainers soon as although my current pairs that I alternate aren't completely worn out I do like to rotate them a bit so when it comes to a race I'm not having to try a new pair in the weeks immediately preceding it.

However my next purchase is probably going to be some XC spikes as I've signed up for a few cross country runs with my club. I find I'm oddly looking forward to it although I've never really tried cross country running.
 
Cheers both :)

I need to purchase my initial pair of shoes soon (along with a gait analysis) so I'll probably go with a local recommended place this time and swallow the extra cost in return for the gait analysis.
 
Last run of C25K week 5 last night - first non-stop run for an extended period of time (20 mins). I was pleasantly surprised I could run for the whole time, definitely helped having the Champions League on to distract me from watching the timer tick down!
 
Don't bother with a gait analysis, just do a wet foot test.


The problem with a wet foot test is it may not match your foot strike pattern when running although it pretty good for most people. You can also just look at the wear pattern on the bottom of your old running shoe.
Gait analysis is free from all the local running stores here s its not like paying to get a bike fit etc. I also find store prices for new shoes are identical to online so the only savings you can get is if you are lucky in finding old stock.
 
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2mile warm up followed by 9x 800m with 400m recoveries (ouch) and then 5 kiles general aerobic. 14.3 miles for the day and some very tired legs. Easier day due tomorrow
 
Last run of C25K week 5 last night - first non-stop run for an extended period of time (20 mins). I was pleasantly surprised I could run for the whole time, definitely helped having the Champions League on to distract me from watching the timer tick down!

About to head out for my 8th couch to 5k run. Just need it to cool down a bit. I have an armband now so look like a pro. ;)

Well done both. Before you know it you'll even be looking forward to going for a run...
 
Yes it is unusually hot down South in UK (but torrential in Manchester today no ?) running and coming back sweat soaked is novel - have to increase fluids ?

In the UK I think shop versus online is a 30% premium, quids in even if you buy several and send back the wrong sizes, plus the travel/time/petrol to the shop etc (do not have those nice big malls over here D.P )
 
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