Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Dr said my hip pain was just muscular and to rest for a bit so... That's what I did. Seems to have done the trick though I'll be keeping an eye on things obviously.

Got out for the first time since doing half marathon distance and decided to try for a 5k PR. Haven't really ran at under 8mins/mile before so I didn't pace very well but in pretty happy with the improvement over my previous PR :)

https://www.strava.com/activities/823832647
 
FYI, If you get any kind of pain then you should run slower and shorter. Racing a 5k is very stressful on your.body but so probably wasn't the wisest thing.


Unlike cycling running puts a lot of stress on different joints, bones, ligaments etc. Your body adapts to running strengthening everything, but that takes time, as in years to fully realize, and requires appropriate recovery as well.

Training is also very different to cycling. Cycling benefits for very hard sessions without injury risks, running doesnt.lots of hard training doesn't yields big gains running and has a very high injury risk. Most of the important adaptations occur in heart rate zone 2, running faster can actually prevent the adaptions occuring such that you would have been better sitting on the couch.
 
Indeed. I was planning on taking it easy today but then decided to just go for it. Was a bit silly but heyho. Taking it much slower tomorrow for a 10k and then will be resuming my high volume, low intensity training for the most part.
 
Did my first parkrun at the weekend after finally reaching the end of C25K. 32 minutes, not my fastest time but I'm happy with it given the muddy conditions. Hopefully drier next time so I can improve my time.
 
Did my first parkrun at the weekend after finally reaching the end of C25K. 32 minutes, not my fastest time but I'm happy with it given the muddy conditions. Hopefully drier next time so I can improve my time.

Good work. Mud is always a pain for slowing things down but makes it more fun sometimes. :)
 
Guys, no doubt its been asked a million times already so sorry for that. But im looking to do a bit more running, i did the C25K last year and i lost a bit of weight and kept running, im doing 5k in 32 or so mins, ive also done a few 10k runs, at around 1 hour 5 mins. So pretty slow all round.

Basically i want to get faster, im gonna be 40 this year, and i want to get my times down and hopefully in the process, lose some more weight, can anyone suggest any techniques,ideally i'd like to be running 5k in 25mins, realistically how long does take to get to those times from 32 mins! Most of my running is on the road, im also going to be doing a park run now that they do one in my town.

Any advice appreciated.
 
I'd look at improving your running and weight loss separately. Track the kcal burned from running and employ whatever techniques to improve your speed suggested here and start a different thread asking about weight loss :)
 
Guys, no doubt its been asked a million times already so sorry for that. But im looking to do a bit more running, i did the C25K last year and i lost a bit of weight and kept running, im doing 5k in 32 or so mins, ive also done a few 10k runs, at around 1 hour 5 mins. So pretty slow all round.

Basically i want to get faster, im gonna be 40 this year, and i want to get my times down and hopefully in the process, lose some more weight, can anyone suggest any techniques,ideally i'd like to be running 5k in 25mins, realistically how long does take to get to those times from 32 mins! Most of my running is on the road, im also going to be doing a park run now that they do one in my town.

Any advice appreciated.



It depends on your current weight, genetics and the time you have to train.


In April 2014 I started running more seriously after trying to diet in the previous months but not having fun at it. Last November I ran a 3:01 Marathon, I haven't raced shorter courses but that translate into about a 18:30 5K, 38:30 10K for reference. In that time I dropped weight form 80kg down to 64kg (now around 66, intend to be 62kg on race day). I'm a few years younger than you.

So I made good progress in about 18 months. However, I was fairly active before and did a lot of hiking. My very first runs were already in the 3 to 4 mile range, i didn't age to build up to that and I found it easy to get to 10-12 miles over a few months training. Moreover, I dedicated a lot fo time to running. In the last 6 months that has been 60-80 miles per week, 6-7 days for 1 to 3 hours. Plus swimming, cycling and some core-strength exercises.




The key to improved fitness and run times is simply to put the hours in. The more you run, the more adaptions your body makes, the faster you can run. The important part is that most of your running should be at an easy conversational pace, no need to go hard every run. A little hard work goes a very long way, too much hard running will cause injuries and even if you survive that then you have to realize you don;t actually gain much by always running very hard. Many of the important adaptions occur only at lower effort levels, e.g. the ability to burn fat, increasing mitochondria, increased blood capillaries, reinforcing slow-twitch muscles, stronger more efficient heart muscles, stronger muscular-skeletal system. Recovery is also important to realize the benefits of the hardwork you put in to training.


I suggest you increase your running volume, very slowly. Depending on what you are doing now you can add about 10% of your volume, or 1 mile on every run you do n a week. Then hold that for 2 to 3 weeks, then have a cut back where you drop maybe 20%, the following week go back as you were, and then add the next 10% step and hold it for 2-3 weeks. Repeat. Ignore any hard running in this period, no track workouts, intervals. Trail running and hills are the exception, in moderation but not the week that you have increased the miles.

Increasing running volume is also easier the more times you run in a week obviously. 5 days a week gives plenty of time for recovery so if you are doing less then you can certainly add a day. best not to do this when you have just added 10%. of volume, do it a week you are holding steady. Keep the volume the same but spread over an extra run. Each run wll thus be shorter and easier but you have given yourself less recovery days so your body must learn to cope with that. Eventually you can hit 6 days without concern. 7 day, and beyond (e.g., running twice a day) needs a lot of care to recover and watch out for injuries. It still requires rest days but you don;t think of 7 day period but e.g.,2 weeks of running and then a weekend off because you are on vacation, and the acceptance that sometimes you will just have to cancel running plans and take it easy.


Do this until you have basically maxed out your time commitment to running. You can break it into cycles though., so do the above for 3 months and then for 1 month throw in some quality training runs likes 800m repeats on a track, then another 2 months of building your volume.


While building your volume you can cycle and swim, work on core and leg strength. You can do very hard intervals/VO2Max session swimming or on a bike without interfering with the base building you are doing running.
 
You should find progress is pretty quick in terms of getting down to 25 mins. If you gradually increase your miles per week without altering pace too much you should find when you do come to a shorter distance done at speed you will be quicker.

If you're not already, start aiming for an amount of time out per session rather than a distance, I found that change in mentality early on to be quite useful and also far easier to measure.

How many times do you go out at the moment and for how long each session?

EDIT: hehe, not bad getting 3 replies at about the same time ;)
 
Any advice appreciated.

If you haven't already it's probably worth going to your local running shop and getting gait analysis done - for doing more than very casual running having a decently fitting pair of trainers makes a big difference to how comfortable it is and also should help reduce the risk of injuries somewhat.

Best of luck with the goals.

Went for my first ever run on Tuesday and I was expecting some degree of leg pain on Wednesday, after leg day at the gym on Monday, but I ended up with bicep and forearm pain instead. WTF's up with that?

Probably just from using your muscles differently to normal.

The track was snowed off today, I could have trudged round but I wouldn't have got anything much out of it beyond cold, wet feet. I did however run home from work yesterday to avoid the train strikes (thanks Southern) which wasn't too bad - the main problem is in terms of being organised with changes of clothes etc.
 
Thanks for the advice chaps, gives me a bit more to think about.

5 or 10k is a good distance for me, its something i can accomodate, i have young children, so my training needs to fit around family life, i cant ever see myself running a marathon, but certainly im happy enough plodding along for an hour or so. Up until november, i was running 5k 2-3 times a week, i could fit in 2 swims and maybe a session on the cross trainer at the gym.Its fairly hilly where i live, so ive got a fair bit of hill training in the locker.

FWIW Im currently 87kg, and should be 68kg (thats never gonna happen lol!)im 5ft7 medium build i would say.
 
If you haven't already it's probably worth going to your local running shop and getting gait analysis done - for doing more than very casual running having a decently fitting pair of trainers makes a big difference to how comfortable it is and also should help reduce the risk of injuries somewhat.

Best of luck with the goals.

Actually did that a few years ago and was recommended the Mizuno Wave Alchemy, my current pair are now coming to their end, but it looks like mizuno no longer do this version, so its time for another trip.
 
Last Wednesday I went for my first 3-mile run in a long time.

Thanks to my Wahoo TickrX and Strava, I was able to assess my running stats and it was clear my cadence was well below optimal and I was over striding. I was averaging 156spm but it was pretty erratic, my max was 168spm.

This led to some very sore legs the next day!

I went out again this morning and did a proper 5k using a metronome, with the intention of increasing my average cadence to 164 (5% increase) but maintaining it for the duration. Strava says I averaged 163.5 so I'd say the metronome worked.

I was a lot slower, 26:26 compared to 24:51, but I was also a lot less out of breath. Also, at the moment, I don't have any leg pain (although it might be a different story tomorrow morning).

My pace/km did dip in the 4th kilometer (5:13 | 5:09 | 5:16 | 5:27 | 5:29) but nothing as erratic as my run last week which ranged from 4:45 to 5:28 per Km.

What would you suggest is the best way to progress?

I can keep increasing my cadence by 5% until I'm around the 180 mark, which I believe is optimal for most people.

OR

I can keep running around 164 until I can maintain a steady pace without any drop-off, and then try and increase the cadence (rinse/repeat up to target).

If it helps, my heart rate for both runs was mostly in Z4 (Threshold) based on a max HR of 190 and averaging around 170bpm during the runs.

Cheers for any tips!
 
What would you suggest is the best way to progress?

Sorry, I've never measured my cadence for running before so I don't think I can offer any meaningful advice!

I'm entering week 3 of my 12-week marathon build up and I'm going to introduce some interval training.

Starting out "easy" since I've never done a proper interval session before.

  • 2 mile warm up to Battersea Park
  • 3 x 6:00 @110%MRP with 2:30 rest between intervals
  • Warm down home
 
Last Wednesday I went for my first 3-mile run in a long time.

Thanks to my Wahoo TickrX and Strava, I was able to assess my running stats and it was clear my cadence was well below optimal and I was over striding. I was averaging 156spm but it was pretty erratic, my max was 168spm.

This led to some very sore legs the next day!

I went out again this morning and did a proper 5k using a metronome, with the intention of increasing my average cadence to 164 (5% increase) but maintaining it for the duration. Strava says I averaged 163.5 so I'd say the metronome worked.

I was a lot slower, 26:26 compared to 24:51, but I was also a lot less out of breath. Also, at the moment, I don't have any leg pain (although it might be a different story tomorrow morning).

My pace/km did dip in the 4th kilometer (5:13 | 5:09 | 5:16 | 5:27 | 5:29) but nothing as erratic as my run last week which ranged from 4:45 to 5:28 per Km.

What would you suggest is the best way to progress?

I can keep increasing my cadence by 5% until I'm around the 180 mark, which I believe is optimal for most people.

OR

I can keep running around 164 until I can maintain a steady pace without any drop-off, and then try and increase the cadence (rinse/repeat up to target).

If it helps, my heart rate for both runs was mostly in Z4 (Threshold) based on a max HR of 190 and averaging around 170bpm during the runs.

Cheers for any tips!

There is no definitive here but I would work on creasing your cadence to about 180, but without worrying to much as it is an approximation and will naturally vary between people a little. while adjusting your cadence totally ignore your pace and run everything very easy until you have fully adjusted. You will be using different muscles and your body will be subjected to different impact forces. That means zone 2 running (which in general should be where most of your running is).

Zone4 is for Lactate threshold runs. There is some debate on the effectiveness of these runs, but either way running here should be limited. Zone 5 could be more useful training and of course should also be limited.
 
Sorry, I've never measured my cadence for running before so I don't think I can offer any meaningful advice!

I'm entering week 3 of my 12-week marathon build up and I'm going to introduce some interval training.

Starting out "easy" since I've never done a proper interval session before.

  • 2 mile warm up to Battersea Park
  • 3 x 6:00 @110%MRP with 2:30 rest between intervals
  • Warm down home


Sounds good to me. Don't be afraid to increase the rest period if need be (or shorten), the important part is that each interval can be executed at the intended intensity. If you go in to your next interval with HR high and not recovered then you will not do it at the same intensity. Get your HR close to your easy pace (zone 2), even if that means walking for 20secodns at the end of your intended rest.


You might want to do some dynamic stretched after the warmup and before the intervals.

The next day keep things short and easier or you wont see the benefits of the hard-work.
 
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