Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Did stavely 1/2 trail run today, it was really hot but despite taking as many salt sticks as it says still got cramp a few miles out. Not sure what next steps are really I can pretty easily get to 13-14 miles road running without issue just trail running.
Just over 2k in elevation today. Watch reckons I lost a bit over 3 litres in sweat and felt like it
 
did 2 miles today, well 2 miles vertical/3200m. Getting in to shape slowly, around 80,000m climbed YTD. Got a good race lines up in 2 weeks: Garda Trentino Extra 155km 10,500m climb on an unmarked course (GPS nav), only 3 aid stations.
 
Did stavely 1/2 trail run today, it was really hot but despite taking as many salt sticks as it says still got cramp a few miles out. Not sure what next steps are really I can pretty easily get to 13-14 miles road running without issue just trail running.
Just over 2k in elevation today. Watch reckons I lost a bit over 3 litres in sweat and felt like it


I’ve listed to a few podcasts with nutritionists that suggested cramp isn’t purely salt/dehydration related.

Can just be from muscles being asked to do too much. Could just be the trail is pushing them too much and need more trail based training.
 
I’ve listed to a few podcasts with nutritionists that suggested cramp isn’t purely salt/dehydration related.

Can just be from muscles being asked to do too much. Could just be the trail is pushing them too much and need more trail based training.
Indeed.

Cramping is rarely related to salt, and there is zero need to supplement salt during a half marathon.
Cramping is usually due to overloading muscles. You tried to push too hard for the level of training.

While intervals are largely over rated, they would be useful in helping prepare for a higher intensity in a race. Overall you should also check your race pace and not do anything too ambitious
. If it is hot then pace has to be reduced, often significantly.

Also, the training needs to reflect the course. If the course is very hilly then you need to be training that way, otherwise again you start asking too much from the muscles. Running uphill has very different muscle recruitment
 
I was started to wonder if there was more to it than nutrition. I do neglect strength training so should start looking at what i can do whilst working from home. Thinking squats would be good as i can do them whilst in meetings (camera off of course:)) wonder if theres anything i can do.

I'm going to guess doing something like 10-15 miles trail running is going to be better than 25-30 road miles. Time is the constraint for me more than anything
 
I was started to wonder if there was more to it than nutrition. I do neglect strength training so should start looking at what i can do whilst working from home. Thinking squats would be good as i can do them whilst in meetings (camera off of course:)) wonder if theres anything i can do.

I'm going to guess doing something like 10-15 miles trail running is going to be better than 25-30 road miles. Time is the constraint for me more than anything


In general the science supports strength training in reducing injury risk or small performance increases . I don't think there is any evidence it helps against cramping. Squats are good, especially 1 legged squats. General advice is you want a few reps of very heavy weights, such that you do 4-7 before exhaustion. Slow controlled lifts nothing explosive. Focus on muscles groups used in running. max 2-3 times a week on winter/low season, once a week in racing or high training periods.

That being said i dont ever strength train, partly because i focus on downhill running and get al ot of stress that way.

If you doing a trail race then 15 miles of trails will be more useful than 25 miles pf roads. Better put, it is better to spend 3 hours running trails than 3 hours on roads even of you cover a lot less distance. My total distance when ultra training is about 60% of my marathon distance despite running 30% longer per week.

Running on a flat road is obviously still good for general cardio but if your focus is trail races then i ould limit the road running 1-3 times per week. For m, in winter i do a bit more road running due to the dark, mud, snow etc it is often safer and in winter i am looking to maintain cardio mostly. This time of year a road run is a rarity when i am forced to due to travel or maybe if i have only a short time before work.
 
In general the science supports strength training in reducing injury risk or small performance increases . I don't think there is any evidence it helps against cramping. Squats are good, especially 1 legged squats. General advice is you want a few reps of very heavy weights, such that you do 4-7 before exhaustion. Slow controlled lifts nothing explosive. Focus on muscles groups used in running. max 2-3 times a week on winter/low season, once a week in racing or high training periods.

That being said i dont ever strength train, partly because i focus on downhill running and get al ot of stress that way.

If you doing a trail race then 15 miles of trails will be more useful than 25 miles pf roads. Better put, it is better to spend 3 hours running trails than 3 hours on roads even of you cover a lot less distance. My total distance when ultra training is about 60% of my marathon distance despite running 30% longer per week.

Running on a flat road is obviously still good for general cardio but if your focus is trail races then i ould limit the road running 1-3 times per week. For m, in winter i do a bit more road running due to the dark, mud, snow etc it is often safer and in winter i am looking to maintain cardio mostly. This time of year a road run is a rarity when i am forced to due to travel or maybe if i have only a short time before work.

Brill sounds like a change in training should help, not booked my next event was originally thinking of Coniston marathon but likely aim for another half and keep the distance the same until i get through without issues. One good thing i did take from the run yesterday was running downhill i was a lot more confident than i was at the beginning of the year so ran most compared to gingerly walking down sections.
 
Thats good, downhil was always one of the worst things for me. I'd have the odd section where i'd shock myself but generally i'd run and look for rocks to brace myself against rather than just completely letting go.

Unsure if anyone follows professional trail running. It's hardly the biggest of sports! but i'm following Cocadona and Jack Scott who won the Spine race is quite a bit behind some of the US guys. I'd been reading about his training focusing on a lot of science to understand the stress of the body.

Still early days to be fair, he might pull it back but it's looking unlikely.
 
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