Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Did stavely 1/2 trail run today, it was really hot but despite taking as many salt sticks as it says still got cramp a few miles out. Not sure what next steps are really I can pretty easily get to 13-14 miles road running without issue just trail running.
Just over 2k in elevation today. Watch reckons I lost a bit over 3 litres in sweat and felt like it
 
did 2 miles today, well 2 miles vertical/3200m. Getting in to shape slowly, around 80,000m climbed YTD. Got a good race lines up in 2 weeks: Garda Trentino Extra 155km 10,500m climb on an unmarked course (GPS nav), only 3 aid stations.
 
Did stavely 1/2 trail run today, it was really hot but despite taking as many salt sticks as it says still got cramp a few miles out. Not sure what next steps are really I can pretty easily get to 13-14 miles road running without issue just trail running.
Just over 2k in elevation today. Watch reckons I lost a bit over 3 litres in sweat and felt like it


I’ve listed to a few podcasts with nutritionists that suggested cramp isn’t purely salt/dehydration related.

Can just be from muscles being asked to do too much. Could just be the trail is pushing them too much and need more trail based training.
 
I’ve listed to a few podcasts with nutritionists that suggested cramp isn’t purely salt/dehydration related.

Can just be from muscles being asked to do too much. Could just be the trail is pushing them too much and need more trail based training.
Indeed.

Cramping is rarely related to salt, and there is zero need to supplement salt during a half marathon.
Cramping is usually due to overloading muscles. You tried to push too hard for the level of training.

While intervals are largely over rated, they would be useful in helping prepare for a higher intensity in a race. Overall you should also check your race pace and not do anything too ambitious
. If it is hot then pace has to be reduced, often significantly.

Also, the training needs to reflect the course. If the course is very hilly then you need to be training that way, otherwise again you start asking too much from the muscles. Running uphill has very different muscle recruitment
 
I was started to wonder if there was more to it than nutrition. I do neglect strength training so should start looking at what i can do whilst working from home. Thinking squats would be good as i can do them whilst in meetings (camera off of course:)) wonder if theres anything i can do.

I'm going to guess doing something like 10-15 miles trail running is going to be better than 25-30 road miles. Time is the constraint for me more than anything
 
I was started to wonder if there was more to it than nutrition. I do neglect strength training so should start looking at what i can do whilst working from home. Thinking squats would be good as i can do them whilst in meetings (camera off of course:)) wonder if theres anything i can do.

I'm going to guess doing something like 10-15 miles trail running is going to be better than 25-30 road miles. Time is the constraint for me more than anything


In general the science supports strength training in reducing injury risk or small performance increases . I don't think there is any evidence it helps against cramping. Squats are good, especially 1 legged squats. General advice is you want a few reps of very heavy weights, such that you do 4-7 before exhaustion. Slow controlled lifts nothing explosive. Focus on muscles groups used in running. max 2-3 times a week on winter/low season, once a week in racing or high training periods.

That being said i dont ever strength train, partly because i focus on downhill running and get al ot of stress that way.

If you doing a trail race then 15 miles of trails will be more useful than 25 miles pf roads. Better put, it is better to spend 3 hours running trails than 3 hours on roads even of you cover a lot less distance. My total distance when ultra training is about 60% of my marathon distance despite running 30% longer per week.

Running on a flat road is obviously still good for general cardio but if your focus is trail races then i ould limit the road running 1-3 times per week. For m, in winter i do a bit more road running due to the dark, mud, snow etc it is often safer and in winter i am looking to maintain cardio mostly. This time of year a road run is a rarity when i am forced to due to travel or maybe if i have only a short time before work.
 
In general the science supports strength training in reducing injury risk or small performance increases . I don't think there is any evidence it helps against cramping. Squats are good, especially 1 legged squats. General advice is you want a few reps of very heavy weights, such that you do 4-7 before exhaustion. Slow controlled lifts nothing explosive. Focus on muscles groups used in running. max 2-3 times a week on winter/low season, once a week in racing or high training periods.

That being said i dont ever strength train, partly because i focus on downhill running and get al ot of stress that way.

If you doing a trail race then 15 miles of trails will be more useful than 25 miles pf roads. Better put, it is better to spend 3 hours running trails than 3 hours on roads even of you cover a lot less distance. My total distance when ultra training is about 60% of my marathon distance despite running 30% longer per week.

Running on a flat road is obviously still good for general cardio but if your focus is trail races then i ould limit the road running 1-3 times per week. For m, in winter i do a bit more road running due to the dark, mud, snow etc it is often safer and in winter i am looking to maintain cardio mostly. This time of year a road run is a rarity when i am forced to due to travel or maybe if i have only a short time before work.

Brill sounds like a change in training should help, not booked my next event was originally thinking of Coniston marathon but likely aim for another half and keep the distance the same until i get through without issues. One good thing i did take from the run yesterday was running downhill i was a lot more confident than i was at the beginning of the year so ran most compared to gingerly walking down sections.
 
Thats good, downhil was always one of the worst things for me. I'd have the odd section where i'd shock myself but generally i'd run and look for rocks to brace myself against rather than just completely letting go.

Unsure if anyone follows professional trail running. It's hardly the biggest of sports! but i'm following Cocadona and Jack Scott who won the Spine race is quite a bit behind some of the US guys. I'd been reading about his training focusing on a lot of science to understand the stress of the body.

Still early days to be fair, he might pull it back but it's looking unlikely.
 
Completed the Hackney half today. My first half. My training has been sketchy at best over the years , any distance results in IT band. I started using a strap and followed a running plan. Had a steady pace throughout and happy with my performance.

I'd love to do a full marathon but I'm not sure my legs would last. Towards the end the plantars were burning (I usually don't have this issue) and the lateral knees weren't too bad.

I think partly it's because my current hoka's are shot - 500km and I think the cushioning is gone. I didn't want to risk swapping to a new pair prior to the race.
 
Good job - get those shoes replaced, perhaps with multiple pairs so you can rotate them through the week and keep the load on them consistent (I have 2 Easy Run Shoes, 2 slightly faster / long run shoes, 2 "race" / Tempo shoes). Marathon training is really time on feet, build up slowly and progressively then hop on a recognized training plan and you'll be good as gold.

Edinburgh HM this coming sunday after a 3 week sunny hot spell it looks liek temps are gonna drop and maybe even some rain!
 
Good job - get those shoes replaced, perhaps with multiple pairs so you can rotate them through the week and keep the load on them consistent (I have 2 Easy Run Shoes, 2 slightly faster / long run shoes, 2 "race" / Tempo shoes). Marathon training is really time on feet, build up slowly and progressively then hop on a recognized training plan and you'll be good as gold.

Edinburgh HM this coming sunday after a 3 week sunny hot spell it looks liek temps are gonna drop and maybe even some rain!


I was very lucky with Hackney. Initially forecast as 21 degrees. Was a cool cloudy 14-16 with a breeze. Perfect weather.
 
last quicker session before the weekend today - 6KM @ 5:10/KM into 3KM @ 4:37/4:38/KM then 2KM @ 6:00/KM - pace felt good, was warm but a nice breeze - HR could have been a touch lower, average of 168 through the 3KM rep but I am off the back of illness so expecting it to be a little elevated.

Just a few runs at recovery pace (with the odd stride) remaining, 8KM, 6KM and 5KM before toeing the start line on Sunday.
 
Well, I done it - hit Sub 1:40 at Edinburgh Half Marathon with a 1:38:39 on the day. Felt very strong and controlled until unfortunately 4KM from the end my right calf completely locked up and I was on the edge of a potential blow out and limping home to suffer in injury. Dropped the pace from the 4:40 I had been doing the previous KM into the 4:50 - 5:05 range and managed to hold on for the finish. Strange to be on one hand delighted with my time, on the other disappointed as I was feeling great and looking to make a bit of a push for the final KMs to really drive home a great time.

Calf is stiff and a bit painful but we aren't looking at a full rupture or anything - off to physio tonight, been icing, heating, using a powerdot, gently mobilising and everything in between. I have 3 weeks to get it into a state that can cope with the 18 week marathon plan ahead of me so will be doing everything in my power to recover then strengthen.
 
Awesome stuff. Hopefully recover goes well.

I'm still appalled at my lack of fitness when it comes to running. Can barely get a 5 minute jog together without feeling tired and walking, but the plus side is my foot is doing alright so just trying to build up but spread exercise up with cycling and weights.
 
Really good physio session last night, no damage as such, it's just locked up and angry after hitting its limit. Combination of downhill for a big chunk of it and 21km at a pace i've never done for longer than 10k total before likely putting me into unchartered territory and likely altering my stride length as well. Back in with him next wednesday, sent away with a plan on banded work as recovery protocol but he is of the view that biology of healing is the main thing here and within the next week I will notice a massive change.

30 minutes on the turbo yesterday, will do an hour today and basically ramp it up ahead of return to running.
 
changing religion - moving from asics ziruss-4 gt2000 , to try out saucony;
am hoping they will have a bit more energy return, and longer lifespan than 300odd miles;
pwrrun+ soles they share seems to have good reviews ... any nay-sayer bad experiences ? more stack than I've ever had before,
also most expensive trainers I've ever bought sale ~80 , maybe that's my problem.

Am recovering for tear on on a calf muscle about 2 weeks back, had made a false re-start after 3 days, but it recurred after 1/2mile,
since then just some long walks/cycling and swimming, with strength & stretching exercises
per https://www.nbt.nhs.uk/our-services...zone/ed-miu-patient-information/calf-injuries



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Yep, Calf still isn't 100% there (done a bit of an interval session moving from 5:45/km to 4:20/KM) across 10K total volume. Was able to compete the session fine without any real pain but it's stiff and I can "feel" it. Another week on the bike and we go again.
 
Ok you have a calf too - first one ever (like mine) or do you know what you did ?
and what is your exercise for building up its strength , or surrounding structure
 
I properly pulled my left one last year and basically couldn’t even try run for a month where as this one is more just a bit tight / weak from locking up towards the end of a recent half marathon. I’ve been doing banded calf work, basically extensions through the band - standing calf raises and generally resting it.
I went to the track today to test it and while I could manage the session and it didn’t get too sore I can tell it’s not right so giving it another week at least of complete running rest before reintroduction.
 
I’ve been doing banded calf work, basically extensions through the band - standing calf raises and generally resting it.
thanks yes - that's what I've been doing extensions hands on facing wall and pushing foot back away from wall -
going up stairs too with just front of foot and heel in space
 
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