PlayStation 4 Pro in-bound

Kreeeee said:
Halo changed enormously when it went to 60fps for Halo 5. I could never go back to the older Halo games now.
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Any game that requires precision is better at 60fps. Imagine Bayonetta or Street Fighter locked at 30. It just makes sense to have it the minimum standard and knock down the eye candy.
 
Macro said:
Unless you know something no one else does outside of the MS Xbox team that's just pure guesswork.

I'd have thought it would be great news for all console gamers if the extra year means Scorpio is full 4K.
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Scorpio is not going to be true 4K. You dont need to be in MS circles to understand that.

The power needed to generate true 4K gaming is insane, The flagship Nvidia 1080 can barely do it on most games with stable framerates and there is absolutely no way your going to be getting a card even close to that of a 1080 in any console thats coming out in the next few years.

Its clear 4K is the latest buzzword in order to shift consoles (and in Sony's case TVs), just like HD was last gen and look how that turned out..What you may actually finally get though is all games running at true 1080p resolution and not 900p (or less) upscaled
 
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iamtheoneneo said:
Scorpio is not going to be true 4K. You dont need to be in MS circles to understand that.

The power needed to generate true 4K gaming is insane, The flagship Nvidia 1080 can barely do it on most games with stable framerates and there is absolutely no way your going to be getting a card even close to that of a 1080 in any console thats coming out in the next few years.

Its clear 4K is the latest buzzword in order to shift consoles (and in Sony's case TVs), just like HD was last gen and look how that turned out..What you may actually finally get though is all games running at true 1080p resolution and not 900p (or less) upscaled
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That's all I want tbh. Solid, decent 1080p.
 
IMO 4k is not ideal today yet because not even a top end single GPU pc card can do 4k at 60fps in full details.

You need to go dual GPU to have a chance of gaming at that res and to expect a console to do that ahead of a PC is wishful thinking.

I think certain games like FPS and racing games should be 60fps at a bare minimum
 
jonneymendoza said:
IMO 4k is not ideal today yet because not even a top end single GPU pc card can do 4k at 60fps in full details.

You need to go dual GPU to have a chance of gaming at that res and to expect a console to do that ahead of a PC is wishful thinking.

I think certain games like FPS and racing games should be 60fps at a bare minimum
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Yeah not true 4k but the upscaling method they are using is meant to be decent.

It's still good they are putting in an improved GPU and adding HDR support.

IMO it's about time consoles didn't lag so far behind with hardware, the fast moving GPU industry in particular is making them think twice.
 
dacads said:
Yeah not true 4k but the upscaling method they are using is meant to be decent.

It's still good they are putting in an improved GPU and adding HDR support.

IMO it's about time consoles didn't lag so far behind with hardware, the fast moving GPU industry in particular is making them think twice.
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indeed but some console fans wont like this though.

Part of the appeal for console is that u buy one and it lasts 4-6 years and everyone else along that timeframe is in the same playing field.

Now some will be able to game at 60fps/4k res and that could be interesting.

What do you guys think of the Steam game box?

Its pretty much a PS4 pro sort of deal where there are different variants and all pre made and pre installed for you?

I think that is where Sony got the idea to releasing a pro version of a console.
 
I think HDR adds more than the resolution boost tbh. If it shows an increase in detail and looks good at 4k I'm going to be happy. I have been playing PS4 games at 1080p on my 4K TV and even that looks pretty good.

I think for £350 even up scaled it's a good deal.

Who cares if it's not as good as a few grands worth of pc. I'm still yet to see anything on pc that looks as good as uncharted 4 on PS4 tbh. Unified hardware means at least it should be used to its fullest potential unlike pc's currently.
 
I'm wondering how the heck things will be with Scorpio. It's not that bad for PS4 as the Pro console is approx 2x as powerful but Scorpio is 4x more than the Xbone and games have to work on both still.
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I think HDR adds more than the resolution boost tbh. If it shows an increase in detail and looks good at 4k I'm going to be happy. I have been playing PS4 games at 1080p on my 4K TV and even that looks pretty good.

I think for £350 even up scaled it's a good deal.

Who cares if it's not as good as a few grands worth of pc. I'm still yet to see anything on pc that looks as good as uncharted 4 on PS4 tbh. Unified hardware means at least it should be used to its fullest potential unlike pc's currently.
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Ive played uncharted 4 and i be honest,it doesnt look as good as some games like Witcher 3 on PC which is a free roaming game (more demanding)

The problem is, You now have a ps4 pro and a ps4. How are games supposed to scale to both now on two seperate hardware components without some compromise/bugs?

How does it fair when playing online as well(ps4 vs pro users with better graphics, viewing distance etc?)
 
ic1male said:
I'm wondering how the heck things will be with Scorpio. It's not that bad for PS4 as the Pro console is approx 2x as powerful but Scorpio is 4x more than the Xbone and games have to work on both still.
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When it was announced MS stressed how the scorpio was only for ppl with 4k panels and wouldn't offer a benefit without. Sounds unlikely tho.
 
jonneymendoza said:
The problem is, You now have a ps4 pro and a ps4. How are games supposed to scale to both now on two seperate hardware components without some compromise/bugs?
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Not exactly an unsolved problem in the world of game development...most devs target two different console generations during the transitional phase when a new one is introduced for a quite a while anyway...and that's a way bigger hardware difference than a few clock speed bumps on pretty much the same platform.
 
It seems like its a non issue at you. Its been done on PCs for the last 10000 years. Just graphically settings, PS4 gets standard and the PS4 Pro get Ultra settings or just 4K textures with colours due to HDR or it runs with unlocked FPS instead of the 30FPS cap a lot of games have.

Been thinking about it since my PS4 is already half broken due to my nephew thinking he could lift it I'm gonna recycle it and get the Pro.
 
Domo said:
I read it's like to be on par with a 970. But I don't even know what that means. Just repeating what a read. And that Scorpio might equal 1070.
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roughly in terms of speed, taking the AMD Gflop outputs (as that is what both consoles are based on).

PS4 Pro = 14nm 380X with 8GB VRAM
Scorpio = 480 (Polaris) with 8GB VRAM.

DX12 1080p rise of the tomb raider maxxed settings estimates.

PS4 Pro = 57fps average
Scorpio = 72fps average

Desktop 980 4GB = 72fps.

Desktop 1070 is approx 20-30% quicker than the Desktop 480.

I will be buying a PS4 Pro for 1080p/60fps support on exclusive titles as I cannot handle 30fps but for VR and 4K gaming its in no-mans land.

The Scorpio on the other hand will be VR ready.
 
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