PlaystationPlus

Uhoh.

PlaystationPlus 'release' date: 29/6
FW 3.40 release date: 29/6


Doesn't look promising.


BUT. They said during the conference that you get 3 months free?
 
if that only one person needs to be a plus member to set up party chat you only need 1 mug in your friends who you normaly play with to pay for it

but more than 4 poeple would have been nice
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
I don't know to be honest. Maybe it's possible that a firmware update is released for everyone, in that firmware update the party chat is located, but you need a certain code to "unlock" the party chat, so everyone gets it, but only the subscribers can use it.
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Simpler than that; it'd easily detect what kind of PSN account you have and make the extra features available to those with a Plus account. I imagine the push updates system will work in a similar way.

As for 'party chat', perhaps I'm just being dense but I can't see why anyone would want to talk to people who are playing an entirely different game. Can't think of anything lower on my list of 'desired PS3 features', if I'm entirely honest.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
In my opinion it's the only difference between the 360 and the PS3's online gaming capabilities.
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Well there's not many differences, the 360 just does practically everything better.

I still think inviting people on the PS3 is more hassle than it should be, also for nearly every cross platform multiplayer game I've tried the PS3 is slower at connecting/joining games. I don't get why this is the case.

Proper friends list please, speed up the in-game XMB so it's not janky and slow then we'll be talking. Party function is desperately needed too.

It's 2010 and Sony have barely improved on the online features Xbox Live had back in 2003. Even the original Xbox had a speedy and working global friends list and invite system.
 
Is there enough good stuff come out in any one month for PSN for this to be worth it? I generally get the feel EU is shafted so can't make use of this half as much as the US could.

Atleast you can still play for free. I wish MS would have atleast a 2 tier system where one has features and one is a cheaper subscription just for playing games online. I don't care about all the crap social stuff, I just want to play games.
 
Nothing of great interest here. Not worth paying for anyway. As for the `loan` games you get `free`. I think that is just a joke. Its just like a long renting system.

Xbox LIVE might be better but you do pay for that. I am very happy for the PSN system considering it is free. This plus system doesnt offer anything exciting, not worth paying for imo
 
People won't like this,
But I think it'll do well, the PS is different to the Xbox in many ways, their is a sizeable swell in the PS audience (IMO) that are brand loyal, and almost operate as if brainwashed, they'll buy anything Sony tells them to.
Please don't think I'm being really off the wall with this, look at how even at the conference they thank their customers for their "allegiance" to Playstation.. it's entrenched in a sizeable chunk of their consumer base, who treat it like some war, where there can only be 1 console and tolerance of all competition is very low indeed.

Xbox will never have this level of support from it's fanbase, I've never seen people defend a brand as much as Sony, if they remove support for other OS, it's apparantly a good thing, if they remove hardware features from SKU's, it's a good thing.. If they want you to pay £40 a year for the promise of some arcade games/media tat, they want to push on you and you can only play whilst you pay £40 a year, it'll be a good thing.

We all wish Xbox Live was free, I'm thinking a sizeable amount of people will tell us the benefits of Playstation Plus, and how it's worth it..

:)
 
Demon said:
.....Xbox will never have this level of support from it's fanbase, I've never seen people defend a brand as much as Sony...
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There are die hard fanboys of both brands if you think otherwise you are either

a) A fanboy yourself

or

b) Pulling the wool over your eyes.


Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo & Apple are in the technology business for one reason and one reason only profit. Any way they think they can get away with shafting consumers they will everytime, none of them deserve my loyalty I pay for what I want and ignore that which I don't need, if one tries to make me pay for more than I require they can go hang.
 
Demon said:
People won't like this,
But I think it'll do well, the PS is different to the Xbox in many ways, their is a sizeable swell in the PS audience (IMO) that are brand loyal, and almost operate as if brainwashed, they'll buy anything Sony tells them to.
Please don't think I'm being really off the wall with this, look at how even at the conference they thank their customers for their "allegiance" to Playstation.. it's entrenched in a sizeable chunk of their consumer base, who treat it like some war, where there can only be 1 console and tolerance of all competition is very low indeed.

Xbox will never have this level of support from it's fanbase, I've never seen people defend a brand as much as Sony, if they remove support for other OS, it's apparantly a good thing, if they remove hardware features from SKU's, it's a good thing.. If they want you to pay £40 a year for the promise of some arcade games/media tat, they want to push on you and you can only play whilst you pay £40 a year, it'll be a good thing.

We all wish Xbox Live was free, I'm thinking a sizeable amount of people will tell us the benefits of Playstation Plus, and how it's worth it..

:)
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Both the 360 and the PS3 have over-zealous fans who can't see past whichever brand they've decided to side with. Sony perhaps has a more established fan base seeing as they've been in the business for longer, but it's false to say the 360 has never seen the same level of support. Just look at the 360's reliability issues, any other item with that many problems - be it a dishwasher, mobile phone, car or anything else - would have been completely and utterly shunned by its users and any brand loyalty would have been destroyed. It was only because MS initially had the far superior games line-up and the better online system (thanks to the original Xbox) that people stuck with it. As an actual piece of hardware though, the 360 is rubbish on almost every level, but gamers seem to care less about that and more about the actual games. It's interesting really, because it very much goes against how people usually choose to buy electronics. That it's taken so long for a revised 360 to appear essentially proves that, despite the damage RROD may have done to the company, they were never in danger of losing market share significantly because of it.

As for people not liking PlayStation Plus, I'm not sure why that would be; they're not being forced to pay for something that was previously free. I think the main issue will be convincing people that it's worth paying for in the first place, given that online play is free anyway.
 
TheVoice said:
Both the 360 and the PS3 have over-zealous fans who can't see past whichever brand they've decided to side with. Sony perhaps has a more established fan base seeing as they've been in the business for longer, but it's false to say the 360 has never seen the same level of support. Just look at the 360's reliability issues, any other item with that many problems - be it a dishwasher, mobile phone, car or anything else - would have been completely and utterly shunned by its users and any brand loyalty would have been destroyed. It was only because MS initially had the far superior games line-up and the better online system (thanks to the original Xbox) that people stuck with it. As an actual piece of hardware though, the 360 is rubbish on almost every level, but gamers seem to care less about that and more about the actual games. It's interesting really, because it very much goes against how people usually choose to buy electronics. That it's taken so long for a revised 360 to appear essentially proves that, despite the damage RROD may have done to the company, they were never in danger of losing market share significantly because of it.

As for people not liking PlayStation Plus, I'm not sure why that would be; they're not being forced to pay for something that was previously free. I think the main issue will be convincing people that it's worth paying for in the first place, given that online play is free anyway.
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Reliability, the 360 sucks (thought is better now, and my launch machine is fine), spec wise it's fine.
 
I didn't just mean in terms of reliability. It's a big, bulky thing with a big, bulky power supply. The fans are noisy, the disc drive is noisy, the buttons feel cheap, the controller is comfortable but the bulky battery pack spoils it. No optical out, no rechargeable controllers as standard, no wi-fi. Granted, this is mostly reflected by the price-point at which the console is sold at, but the accessory prices are ludicrous.

I recently bought a 360 for a few games I wanted to play it on and in terms of what it's capable of as a system, I'm impressed with it. As an actual piece of hardware though, it's awful. I'd rather like to get one of the new consoles but the entire reason for me buying the 360 I have now was that it was cheap, so I'm not sure I can justify buying a new one!
 
TheMightyTen said:
There are die hard fanboys of both brands if you think otherwise you are either

a) A fanboy yourself

or

b) Pulling the wool over your eyes.


Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo & Apple are in the technology business for one reason and one reason only profit. Any way they think they can get away with shafting consumers they will everytime, none of them deserve my loyalty I pay for what I want and ignore that which I don't need, if one tries to make me pay for more than I require they can go hang.
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Normally I'd like to thing everything is roughly equal, and of course it's easy to see fanboys on all sides..

But undeniably, Sony push their marketing differently, because it's aimed at a different consumer (in the main)..
COmpared to MS/Ninty (who have done some), Sony constantly push the competitive message..
The whole "The next generation doesn't start until we say so", and all the tens of other similar aggressive marketing used was obvious, and was responded to by MS/Ninty a bit, but even now, they still market it in this way, they are now runningKevin Butler ads with the only purpose to ridicule the competition, the whole conference is built around telling the audience why they like PS, why it's superior, and of course like to keep saying why the competition aren't as good over and over again, it's far more brainwashing then it's competition.. They thank you for your allegiance to their brand, as if it's worth something..

Ninty/MS don't do half/a quarter/a tenth of this type of competitive marketing..

And it reflects in their fanbase IMO.. It's all about the best graphics, Sony openly admit they have to create the best graphics, and push this aspect.. why? what about just making the games 'good'?

Just go over on NeoGAF, and although home to many fanboys, go and see the overwhelming balance of trolling in the main first party threads (Has been stamped out more recently, it got so bad at one point)..
GT5/Forza was embarassing at one point, there was page after page after page of GT5 screenshots being used to berate Forza, or posting every negative screenshot they could find of Forza to berate it, it was almost epic at one point..
Go in the GT5 thread, and absolutely bugger all really, the odd little mention of Forza, maybe one or two rival screenshots, normal levels of fanboys..
The comments by fanboys in that thread where just unreal, even mentioning GT5 in the same breath as FM3 had people posting with long tirdes on why GT5 would own Forza, it was embarassing..

Then look at Halo/Killzone, etc..it clearly wasn't a one off..

So I think assuming all three companies don't appeal and aren't nurtured differently is wishful thinking..
 
I like what I've heard so far about PS+, £39.99 might see mdear, but the subscription is a store purchase, so if you grab 2 x £20 PSN cards for about £17 each, then it brings the price down to £34. Which with the free 3 months works out at £2.26 per month, not to mention the free digital copy of LBP you get.
For the extra functionality it brings, plus the free games, priority beta access and full game trials (which I actually like the idea of), it's a pretty compelling package.
 
The full game trials, seems to me a bit iffy, do they mean the 40gb games or psn games? Would take me a couple of days to dl if it was a full bluray game, just for 1hrs play to see if i liked it.
 
It's both, I'd imagine by 'full game' they mean a special version of the game cut down to approx 1hr of play, but with full functionality, so you can try all the elements of the retail game (online for example). Nobody is expecting people to DL 40GB of data for 1 hr of play. I do like that any saves or trophies you get in that hour will carry over to the full version if you decide to buy it, on that note I was hoping PS+ would enable cloud saves, it's annoying having to drop my saves onto a USB key if I want to play on round my mate's house.
 
You use it a lot, base you're online social structure around gaming/ps3 play, then it'll be worth it to you. Back 10+ years ago when i did pretty much the same in pc land, all the grouping options offered would have probaly bought i a buy in.

Tbh i though, i don't use the ps3 enough, and it's only pickup and play casual multiplayer when i do, the rest of the stuff im not interested in.

Only point id draw an argument with is the pay to try to buy. A few of the psn games that iv'e looked at, iv'e passed on because there is no demo, and youtube only does so much.
 
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