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Lord-Jaffa said:
This is the best time in human history to raise children, when was better, 100, 200, 300, 3000 years ago? When their chances of surviving to adulthood were lower than dying from any number of horrific things. Perhaps its best he doesn't have kids, must be a real joy to be around
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Probably around the 70s-80s, boomers loving life ;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
Did you land on our shores illegally, in a dinghy? Having found more than enough funding to enter the UK by a legal and conventional means, but having deliberately chosen an illicit entry, (in many people's opinion)? Aided in your blatant criminality by the RNLI and other criminally sympathetic organisations? Unvetted with "lost" documentation?

If not you are most welcome.
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I have been known to frequent the country's waterways in a rubber dinghy whilst displaying a jolly roger.
I vaguely recollect having purchased alcoholic beverages at the age of 15, so I guess that ticks the criminality box.
I've definitely lost various pieces of official documentation over the years.

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It takes a very "special" sort of thought process if the first place your brain goes when someone mentions a life saving charity literally anything is "derp, immergrunts"
 
Begbie said:
The 70s/80s?

Huge increases in inflation, loads of jobs were manual labour (mines, steel works etc), constant strikes, literal war bordering our own country, stagflation etc etc.
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Sorry, should have specified South Africa, I didn't grow up here.
 
Its a good thing when people question kids

"Should I be a parent? I don't think I'd make a good parent because [insert reason]. Seeing as this is a life I'm responsible for maybe I shouldn't"

Having a kid is probably the most responsible job most will ever do.
Yet you need no qualifications, anyone can have one.

For something you'd need a licence for, I think it's great when people decide it's not for them rather than rasing a kid in a poor home.



We shouldn't be shaming people into having kids of it isn't for them.
Migrants often come from a terrible place. Like rehoming a stray dog rather than getting a puppy. It's no bad thing.
 
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413x said:
Its a good thing when people question kids

"Should I be a parent? I don't think I'd make a good parent because [insert reason]. Seeing as this is a life I'm responsible for maybe I shouldn't"

Having a kid is probably the most responsible job most will ever do.
Yet you need no qualifications, anyone can have one.

For something you'd need a licence for, I think it's great when people decide it's not for them rather than rasing a kid in a poor home.



We shouldn't be shaming people into having kids of it isn't for them.
Migrants often come from a terrible place. Like rehoming a stray dog rather than getting a puppy. It's no bad thing.
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Its a nice idea but what groups of people are least likely to seriously consider the ramifications and responsibility that having children entails? Who are the group that have children as a gateway to a more secure way of never working.

There are so many things that should be quite simple but humans are fundamentally selfish and self-centred.

The people who are worrying about not being able to raise children in the current/future world are probably exactly the sort of people you do want having kids. They will worry. They will do whats best for the kids and perhaps that might mean putting their future above their own selfish desires.

The last people you want having children are those who see them as a ticket to a free house and increased benefits. The people who don't give a **** about raising their children to be valuable, well adjusted members of society. Those are the people who only see kids as a means to an end.
 
413x said:
Its a good thing when people question kids

"Should I be a parent? I don't think I'd make a good parent because [insert reason]. Seeing as this is a life I'm responsible for maybe I shouldn't"

Having a kid is probably the most responsible job most will ever do.
Yet you need no qualifications, anyone can have one.

For something you'd need a licence for, I think it's great when people decide it's not for them rather than rasing a kid in a poor home.



We shouldn't be shaming people into having kids of it isn't for them.
Migrants often come from a terrible place. Like rehoming a stray dog rather than getting a puppy. It's no bad thing.
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Works the other way round too. Not everyone is popping out kids so that they can live a life of ‘luxury’ on benefits.
 
Doobedoo said:
Works the other way round too. Not everyone is popping out kids so that they can live a life of ‘luxury’ on benefits.
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Never would say this.

Just that people who don't want kids shouldn't be made to feel they owe the world kids.

Its only very recently that a woman's worth was considered less for not having kids.
 
413x said:
Never would say this.

Just that people who don't want kids shouldn't be made to feel they owe the world kids.

Its only very recently that a woman's worth was considered less for not having kids.
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I’ve seen a few in here alone.

But no you and others should do what makes you happy. I could quite easily not have a kid but then I’d have to mow the lawn for the rest of my life, instead I’ll teach my child to do it for me :D. No free meals in this heartless, corporate centric, dystopian nightmare.
 
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Doobedoo said:
I’ve seen a few in here alone.

But no you and others should do what makes you happy. I could quite easily not have a kid but then I’d have to mow the lawn for the rest of my life, instead I’ll teach my child to do it for me :D. No free meals in this heartless, corporate centric, dystopian nightmare.
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How it should be!
I had a **** tonne of mowing to do at my parents house. They had an acre. And the front had TPO trees. So couldn't ride on now it!

I don't miss that!

I was put out to work at 13! :D
 
fez said:
Its a nice idea but what groups of people are least likely to seriously consider the ramifications and responsibility that having children entails? Who are the group that have children as a gateway to a more secure way of never working.

There are so many things that should be quite simple but humans are fundamentally selfish and self-centred.

The people who are worrying about not being able to raise children in the current/future world are probably exactly the sort of people you do want having kids. They will worry. They will do whats best for the kids and perhaps that might mean putting their future above their own selfish desires.
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But how do you feel about people not having kids because they don't want to subject them to what is looking like not a great future? Is that selfish, or altruistic?

Remember, no child has any say in being born.
 
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