Pointless getting 8800***!! What games?!

easyrider · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:02

kibble said:
Of course, if the rest of your system isn't a bottleneck, of course the 8800 is going to show an improvement on games, but it's not nearly being pushed to the limit. And it won't be for some months yet....

point being?

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And the 8800 is the ONLY guaranteed way to ensure all games out there at the moment run at 60+ FPS?? Well, I guess it's a future proofed purchasing choice if you've got a pretty ancient set-up, but any decent system will still eat up nearly every game out there. Besides, what SHOULD be considered is the cost vs improvement ratio. No-one seems to take that into account. It's not enough to just say you can bump the resolution up, get rid of a few jaggies and squeeze an extra 10fps out. It has to be worth it....

Yup upgrading from a GX2 has been worth it.

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Errr... if you bought an 8800 in 2 months time for less money, you would still have plenty of life left in your card. Buying one now doesn't give you more longevity at the other end you know. If you want to spend £450 on a card, then in a few months that will get you a faster card and therefore more longevity. Of course, it's a vicious circle....

Point being?

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Quite. Anyone who has spent £450+ on one of these cards is hardly going to turn around and say, "Nah, I don't need this after all." However, there are plenty of disgruntled people on these forums and elsewhere who are mightily frustrated that they can't use these cards in Vista or play any of the games that will really show what this card can do....

Thats not the cards fault.

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My only point really is that the good reasons to wait to buy one of these cards outnumber the ones that say you shouldn't. Unless you're loaded, in which case go nuts...

My only point really is that the good reasons to to buy one of these cards outnumber the ones that say you should wait.

If I waited I wouldn't buy anything.I'm enjoying a double the framerate boost over my GX2 in oblivion thanks.With IQ that simply has to be seen to be believed.

bfar · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:05

Christ, I've never heard such a bunch of kill joys!!! Anyone who has bought one of these has done nothing but sing it's praises, regardless of what they've upgraded from!!!

I've even seen people with older A64 CPU's go banannas over the benefits. Its a better card than anything else on the market - if your upgrading then most people with a brain in their head are going to seriously consider it. Its always been that way with the latest hardware, and always will until system architecture standards change dramatically.

Either way, if someone wants to upgrade to one of these, then who the hell are you to argue or insult them?

sheesh, I mean its not like we're spending YOUR money or anything....

easyrider · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:07

bfar said:
Christ, I've never heard such a bunch of kill joys!!! Anyone who has bought one of these has done nothing but sing it's praises, regardless of what they've upgraded from!!!

I've even seen people with older A64 CPU's go banannas over the benefits. Its a better card than anything else on the market - if your upgrading then most people with a brain in their head are going to seriously consider it. Its always been that way with the latest hardware, and always will until system architecture standards change dramatically.

Either way, if someone wants to upgrade to one of these, then who the hell are you to argue or insult them?

sheesh, I mean its not like we're spending YOUR money or anything....

Kibble is acting like a Troll to get a responce. :rolleyes:

NightSt@lk3r · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:14

easyrider said:
let me guess....

Can you afford one?
My guess is not or you wouldn't have posted as you would not see it as an issue.

i can afford 1 but i still think there pointless at the moment and will not be picking one up till next year

easyrider · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:16

NightSt@lk3r said:
i can afford 1 but i still think there pointless at the moment and will not be picking one up till next year

Might aswell get the refresh then

WesleyBurns · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:21

Rroff said:
I think your GX2 was stuck in single card mode then... in most games my 7950GX2 is considerably faster than the 8800GTS and only slightly behind the GTX, the only time that changes is in shader intensive games and even there I've yet to see a game thats dramatically faster on an 8800 except oblivion.

note my GX2 is considerably overclocked... but based on the benchmarks it would still beat the GTS by a shade on stock clocks.

EDIT: Seems from looking at the specs (tho this could be CPU limited) the 8800 series are a bit faster than the GX2 at higher resolutions (beyond 1600x) as I play at 1440x I'm not really gonna complain.

I was getting 14700 in 3DMark05 on the GX2 - Thats a fully running GX2 score by any standard, Now getting 17500 on the 8800 GTX.

Bench marks aside, A LOT of my games are VERY playable now at any resolution and everything turned on. The GX2 had limits.

With newer drivers the 8800 series could prove to be faster.

This card will deliver when DX10 and vista are out. The DX10 would have been drawn up a year ago if not more and agreed upon. Nvidia and companies alike do not spend millions to develope cards on a whim that may work. Engineering takes time and a lot of money.

If the 8800 was cheaper, these threads wouldnt exist.

Sime · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:21

NightSt@lk3r said:
i can afford 1 but i still think there pointless at the moment and will not be picking one up till next year

Well your obviously happy with the setup you have now, I personally have the money, not happy with my setup, wanting the upgrade so thats what im doing...

The Asgard · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:23

Rroff said:
I think your GX2 was stuck in single card mode then... in most games my 7950GX2 is considerably faster than the 8800GTS and only slightly behind the GTX, the only time that changes is in shader intensive games and even there I've yet to see a game thats dramatically faster on an 8800 except oblivion.

note my GX2 is considerably overclocked... but based on the benchmarks it would still beat the GTS by a shade on stock clocks.

EDIT: Seems from looking at the specs (tho this could be CPU limited) the 8800 series are a bit faster than the GX2 at higher resolutions (beyond 1600x) as I play at 1440x I'm not really gonna complain.

Well I have had a GX2 and a GTO SLI setup and your kidding yourself if you think your GX2 is slightly behind a GTX. The 8800 GTX is a monster of a card just waiting to be unleashed. I have never been so impressed by any other graphics card as I have this time around and I have had them all. Vista drivers aside Nvidia have really delivered with the G80.

PoliticallyCorrect · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:30

most people can afford a 8800, it's stupid to say not.

people have different priorities, i myself would rather get a card that is "good enouph". My 7600GT is coming out of date now and i won't mind a 8600gt or ati equivilant when it's relased, and i'll probably buy it on the first day like i did with my 7600GT, of course it's come down in price now, but i'm not bothered coz i wudn't buy one now, i'd wait for the next gen. This way i feel more confident putting more money on effective things like a bigger monitor or decent gaming mouse.

some people jus slpash out on one thing cuz they feel like it

but it doens't really matter because everyone is different, leave it

WesleyBurns · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:30

Look at the architecture differences between the 8800 cards and all the rest.

When i saw the 8800, i ordered one the same day, GFX have always been a hobby for me, I felt the jump from my 7800 to the 7950 GX2 was disappointing for the price i paid.

The price I paid for the 8800 was worth it.

salami1212 · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:40

TheGunslinger said:
In the short time Ive been here, one thing is totally clear, the only people actually moaning and saying they are pointless are the one's who cant afford/dont have one.

yes... because i was moaning in any way possible, it was a kinda question and i wanted views on why people do it..

... sort it

Rroff · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:45

The Asgard said:
Well I have had a GX2 and a GTO SLI setup and your kidding yourself if you think your GX2 is slightly behind a GTX. The 8800 GTX is a monster of a card just waiting to be unleashed. I have never been so impressed by any other graphics card as I have this time around and I have had them all. Vista drivers aside Nvidia have really delivered with the G80.

This is something I don't understand... a lot of people say the GX2 isn't upto much and a lot of benchmarks show it behind a 7900 GTX SLI... but this simply isn't the performance I've seen from my card - out the box it does about 10940 in 3D Marks 06 and I've managed 16K out of it with over clocking... probably that it does 700MHz core on 1.25v (gainward runs them at 1.25 instead of 1.3 for some reason) says a lot... with voltmodding (1.5 is easy) and better cooling it could hopefully do 750 or even 800...

salami1212 · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:48

bfar said:
Either way, if someone wants to upgrade to one of these, then who the hell are you to argue or insult them?

sheesh, I mean its not like we're spending YOUR money or anything....

yep, insultings going on isnt it...... :rolleyes:

kibble · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:50

bfar said:
Christ, I've never heard such a bunch of kill joys!!! Anyone who has bought one of these has done nothing but sing it's praises, regardless of what they've upgraded from!!!

I've even seen people with older A64 CPU's go banannas over the benefits. Its a better card than anything else on the market - if your upgrading then most people with a brain in their head are going to seriously consider it. Its always been that way with the latest hardware, and always will until system architecture standards change dramatically.

Either way, if someone wants to upgrade to one of these, then who the hell are you to argue or insult them?

sheesh, I mean its not like we're spending YOUR money or anything....

One thing I have noticed is that people who DO have these cards seem far more upset by these discussions than people who don't. Personally, it doesn't bother me either way. I'm not insulting anybody, and I'm not arguing with anyone's right to buy one. I have chosen to wait because in my opinion, and of course it is just an opinion and I am entitled to that, I personally don't see the reason for buying one TODAY. The price is not the issue for me, and if DX10, Vista drivers and the games were available, or going to be available within weeks, then I probably would buy one. Personally, I just don't want to buy next generation technology only to not be able to participate in that next generation fully. Playing existing games on next gen tech and paying that much money for it just doesn't do it for me. No matter how good they look. But that's just me. My life doesn't revolve around this stuff, but if it did and it was my only hobby, then I would probably see the point. But it's not and I don't. I'm not criticising anybody, just laying out my position. If people take offence to that, that's certainly not my intention.

Rroff · 22 Nov 2006 at 23:56

Articles like this make me cry lol!

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=3762

13 almost 14K and it took serious cooling... I can get those results on air with an E6600...

WesleyBurns · 23 Nov 2006 at 00:00

haha, like that pc is even usable, look at all the fans and dissections.

salami1212 · 23 Nov 2006 at 00:04

another thing, people get the cards so there future prooded, why dont people wait to get a direct x 10 card wen direct x 10 comes out with vista etc because surely better cards would be out by then for the same price

edit: a tad of "moaning" as people say in this post but i dont think i am

bfar · 23 Nov 2006 at 00:22

salami1212 said:
yep, insultings going on isnt it......

If u were to suggest that someone's comments were "just silly".... well maybe somebody just might get insulted..?..? :confused:

Now I realize we're on an internet forum, and acceptable behavior is a bit different than face to face. And as such I wouldn't ever take any offence, but I'd still suggest you show respect for other peoples opinions or comments on the subject. After all, I and many others totally respect yours....

LeeMc · 23 Nov 2006 at 00:45

Hi all
I bought an 8800GTX on Monday(upgraded from a volt modded and watercooled 7800GT) , I must say this is the single most impressive upgrade for a PC I've ever purchased , it is just plain amazing.
Now i got to the point where I more or less had to get a vidcard upgrade cos I also recently purchased a Dell 24" 2407 and playing games at native res of 1900x1200 with a 7800GT and trying to switch all the eye candy on (which lets face it , if im gonna buy this monitor I want it to look as good as it possibly can) was just plain impossible in the newest games , heres the differences I've gained from the upgrade.

NFSC 7800 gt 1024x768 half the eye candy off avg 35fps
8800GTX 1900x1200(hack)max eye candy with 16xAF 4xAA 45-50fps

Oblivion 7800gt 1024x768 virtually everything minimum(looked *****) 25fps
8800GTX 1900x1200 max everything 4xAA avg 45fps

GTR 2 7800gt 1900x1200 no aa avg 30fps
880GTX 1900x1200 16xAF 16xQAA avg 65fps

Ceasar IV 7800gt 1280x1024 half detail (big city) avg 25fps
8800GTX 1900x1200 16x AF 2xAA avg 35fps

Yes also a great improvement in the 3d marks but I dont give a toss about those , the increased quality in those games makes a HUGE difference to gameplay experience also especially the driving games , it actually makes them easier because they are now soooo silky smooth with very little dips in framerate at all whereas the GT had big spikes in the framerates.
Anyway for someone with a slightly older card yet a decent system(cpu mem monitor etc) this card is a very worthy upgrade now even before vista and DX10 games come out.
Also when I do get that bug again (you know it the one that MAKES you upgrade your PC, DAMN that bug !!

) and I get something like a Quad core or new AMD next year the card will still fit nicely into that system.
One more thing , having a nice quiet WCooled system and adding this graphics card has made hardly any difference to noise , something I was worried about but must say its very quiet indeed , gotta say when u take it outta the box it looks like a supersized nvidia leafblower. :rolleyes:

btw to bfar , love the sig but u missed off 640x480 56hz monitor , clicking keyboard , ballmouse , 2x cd rom and the mighty vesa localbus 3ft long graphics card hehe

salami1212 · 23 Nov 2006 at 01:16

bfar said:
If u were to suggest that someone's comments were "just silly".... well maybe somebody just might get insulted..?..? Now I realize we're on an internet forum, and acceptable behavior is a bit different than face to face. And as such I wouldn't ever take any offence, but I'd still suggest you show respect for other peoples opinions or comments on the subject. After all, I and many others totally respect yours....

it was a joke as i was saying he said "the look of the card is nicer" .. and i said if you really care about the "look" of the card then thats silly... and the word silly kind of suggested it wasnt serious