Police and Courts fit for purpose?

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I'm just like a really efficient Beetlejuice if he was mellow, you only have to say my name once to summon me but I'm not really going to do much. I can't I mean it hurts like **** to stand and walk with crutches.

@Dis86 I'm sorry to hear that you got so let down pal, it's stupid and the way things are is it really any wonder that the worst of society don't fear the police. Nothing happens!

I try not to think about what happened with my case as it just makes me rage. My life, outside my missus and kids is basically over. I'm mostly housebound still, short distances on the crutches leave me in agony and very swollen for days. I do get out sometimes but then I'm out of it. My wheelchair is too big and heavy to go in our car and thanks to this cost of living bs I now have to cancel my motability car that would have given me some freedom with adapted controls and a hoist for my chair. I'd have had some independence for the first time in over 4 years.

Oh well, a suspended sentence and some community service makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
I think the police have a lot of problems to deal with at the moment.

But if things continue to get worse I can see private security groups, either official or unofficial taking over certain areas.

The problem these days is the cops aren't respected. They are losing the respect of ordinary members of the public. Their position is becoming vulnerable when it comes to dealing with real violence. There is going to be a lot more violence in the future as the amount of people who buy in to the British way of life is going down.

The cops need to remove the need for a qualification. Most people are either academic or a hands on labour person. Only a small group is capable of both. So the pool the police are recruiting from is unnecessarily small.

I support, and respect, the police. But their current direction is going to cause them more problems.
 
@Vidar I still find myself getting angry when I think about what happened to you. You've been massively let down by the justice system.

The police wonder why in a few towns near me people frequently take justice in to their own hands. Recently an elderly woman had her handbag stolen, the guy that did it was found rather quickly still in possession of it. He's now missing two fingers from each hand.
 
@Dis86 @SexyGreyFox Thank you for the concern guys, it's appreciated. Among other things my therapy for ptsd, covers what happened afterwards. It's something I really struggle with, especially as time goes on. Even if the result had been the same the fact that I didn't get the opportunity to look those two ***** in the eyes and say my piece is what really stings, especially after sitting around in the witness suite for two days in pain.
 
Generally had a pretty positive impression of the police but a recent spate of incidents (connected) at work have left me less impressed - don't want to go into too much detail but the first of the incidents they were a no show, a later incident, which I called in, despite the person on the phone said it warranted an "immediate" response and being aware on the phone through being able to hear what was going on in the background of it being a somewhat dangerous incident there was no police response until about 14 hours later* - in the end I called up a private security company who were so disgusted by the lack of police response they declined to bill us for the call out (and turned up in good time).

The police who belatedly responded apparently did pretty much zero in terms of investigating the incident (I wasn't there at the time), gave some generic advice and left, prompting my boss to investigate himself, finding good evidence, which last I heard they didn't have much interest in it.


* Probably didn't help I had a good handle on just how dangerous the situation was/wasn't rather than panicking as some might have in the same situation - which might have prompted a faster response.
 
Rroff said:
Generally had a pretty positive impression of the police but a recent spate of incidents (connected) at work have left me less impressed - don't want to go into too much detail but the first of the incidents they were a no show, a later incident, which I called in, despite the person on the phone said it warranted an "immediate" response and being aware on the phone through being able to hear what was going on in the background of it being a somewhat dangerous incident there was no police response until about 14 hours later* - in the end I called up a private security company who were so disgusted by the lack of police response they declined to bill us for the call out (and turned up in good time).

The police who belatedly responded apparently did pretty much zero in terms of investigating the incident (I wasn't there at the time), gave some generic advice and left, prompting my boss to investigate himself, finding good evidence, which last I heard they didn't have much interest in it.


* Probably didn't help I had a good handle on just how dangerous the situation was/wasn't rather than panicking as some might have in the same situation - which might have prompted a faster response.
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One in the ladies that wouldn't flush?
 
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Dis86 said:
I had a generator stolen. I managed through shear luck to find it for sale on Facebook.
I provided the police with screenshots and links of it. I provided them with the serial numbers of the generator, the diesel engine and photos of it in my possession.
The police took 4 months to visit the seller by which time he'd obviously sold it.
They wouldn't charge him with theft as they couldn't prove he stole it even though he couldn't account for where he got it from.
They wouldn't charge him with handling stolen goods because he claimed he didn't know it was stolen.
They didn't find out where he sold it to as 'he forgot'.
They were absolutely useless. Incompetent doesn't even begin to cover it.
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Based purely on watching various police TV documentaries, this definitely seems to be the issue - obviously the cases they use are cherry-picked for the show, but the number of obvious scumbags who get arrested, stuck in custody overnight and then don't get charged/get let out with a slap on the wrist is shocking. The police are obviously doing the best they can, but if they're constantly having to arrest the same people for the same thing over and over and over and over (etc.) then it's little surprise they can't keep up.
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I watched one of those police fly-on-the-wall programmes a few weeks ago.

Cops pull a car, 4 occupants. Driver was driving in a 'concerning manner'. All four plus the car are searched due to the smell of cannabis, driver was drug-wiped.

Wipe came back negative but all four were found with Class A plus there was a large amount of Class A in the boot.

Passengers all arrested on possession & driver further arrested for intent to supply. Red handed, go to jail, do not collect £200 right? Nope. CPS dropped charges due to 'lack of evidence'.
 
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CPS dropped charges due to 'lack of evidence'.
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I didn't watch it, but can guess the issue. There's no "joint enterprise" law/leading case for anything other than murder. So the problem the CPS have with the big stash is proving who owns it. If there's no DNA or fingerprints (and even the dimmest criminal knows how to avoid leaving those) and no-one admits ownership, it's no use as evidence. The amount on the people was probably only useful for Possession, and no-one has the time to prosecute such a low level offence. In most cases it's the CPS who are the issue. Right back in the 1980s it was known to stand for "Can't Prosecute - Sorry".

But behind all this is still years of Tory budget cuts. The CJ system has seen deeper cuts than any other government area. This is the result.
 
Well at least you know to pick a lane and stay in it. Bumping your own thread from two years ago which got little traction at the time and is a workaround for your other recent locked thread(s) which hammer your white/asian argument addiction sure is a good way to promote ongoing and interesting dis*course.

* I thank you.
 
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Well at least you know to pick a lane and stay in it. Bumping your own thread from two years ago which got little traction at the time and is a workaround for your other recent locked thread(s) which hammer your white/asian argument addiction sure is a good way to promote ongoing and interesting dis*course.

* I thank you.
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I merely present the evidence.

And in this case a tribunal agrees with it *shrugs*

What are you thoughts mags? Or just another banal comment rather than joining a discussion?
 
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