Police incompetence when dealing with sex gangs.

[Dolph]

The Rochdale and Huddersfield neglect by the police are completely separate and utterly different to the situation described in the Sky article, so I completely stand by my post thank you.

The police, social services and schools are so criminally underfunded so whilst historically, there was money in services for victims and the vulnerable, there were cases where criminal incompetence played a massive role in young girls being exploited and raped with nobody caring, for which heads should have rolled with criminal charges against the services involved, that very much is not the case here for the Police if the article is to be taken at face value.

There is nothing but your supposition on the differences, so let's not neglect the vulnerable by putting all our eggs into the 'its the Tories fault somehow' basket and actually start looking at what can be done to reduce this sort of behaviour and risk, manage and support the victims (which goes way beyond convicting a few of the perpetrators) and having some genuine discussions about the challenge of collecting evidence for historic cases etc.

I guess it does just depend what is actually important to you.

 

[dave28]

Massive underfunding for the level and scale of crime in the UK.

My local Police station doesnt actually have any Police in it lol.

Im serious, it is un-manned and i never see them in the town except the odd one trying to fine speeders.

 

[Efour]

As in most cases it goes deeply into communities, local politics and local government/social services.

A friend of mine (RIP) was a local journalist in Romford/Havering in London.
The complete interlinked hell of how everything worked in reality to how you would expect a civilised country to be, are polar opposites.
This was the 90s/00s i doubt anything has changed.
Just a complete bunch of "ill scratch my back if you scratch mine" weirdos. There's no way there wasn't any of the law involved in it too. Just a thin layer of corruption way down under everything.
Dodgy licensing for pubs, clubs and anything in-between.
Slide a bit of underfunding in the mix, sure why not, but id say at the route of it all is just sick people doing what they can do and get away with it while people turn blind eyes with an envelope full of £20s.

 

[arknor]

Good job these aren't racist attacks

One of the Grooming flats/houses in Newcastle was right near where I live.

Honestly have no idea how they got away with it without someone realising what was happening and beating the living day lights out of them.

Newcastle seems to be full of paedos if the local rag is anything to go by.

people walking around parks looking for young girls to befriend, people hanging around the metro stops etc looking for drunk teenagers.

crime section of the local paper is basically a gallery of pedos and rapists.

most of them are white though, makes me sick reading some of it.

like I Think it was last year some drunk 15year old was lost in the city centre not knowing how to get home,she had spoken to some adults who didn't seem to help her.

some guy gives her a lift, rapes her in his car then drops her off at home.
I don't think they ever caught the guy either.. like are the CCTV all useless?

 

[Eurofighter]

Not enough police and the ones there are , are busy looking for cannabis grows.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

The church is probably taking up most of the Police time with the amount of pedos and pedo sympathisers in their ranks.

 

[Roar87]

This response would imply that the police were previously competent about dealing with these things, and yet that's not historically true. The sex gang scandals that rose to prominence over recent years following detailed inquiries, such as Rochdale or huddersfield, occurred under labour's time in government, and towards the end of them at that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_grooming_gang

Don't confuse the investigations and inquiries with when the incompetence was actually going on.

Are you happy with yourself for waving away any attempt to understand the actual problem to make a evidentially irrelevant partisan political point? Does that help people in these situations in any way at all?

People like Hurfdurf would blame the Tories for the asteroid that wiped out the Dinosaurs if they could

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

The police and establishment has failed on this for decades. What makes anyone think they are suddenly going to be on top of this now?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

People like Hurfdurf would blame the Tories for the asteroid that wiped out the Dinosaurs if they could

Well they've been in charge for over 10 years and they slashed police numbers. Has that helped or hindered investigations into crime?

 

[hurfdurf]

There is nothing but your supposition on the differences, so let's not neglect the vulnerable by putting all our eggs into the 'its the Tories fault somehow' basket and actually start looking at what can be done to reduce this sort of behaviour and risk, manage and support the victims (which goes way beyond convicting a few of the perpetrators) and having some genuine discussions about the challenge of collecting evidence for historic cases etc.

I guess it does just depend what is actually important to you.

There is everything if you actually bother to read the facts between how the 2 situations have been handled. In one you have deliberate ignoring of crime and lack of reporting by multiple agencies, in the other you have a 2 year named Op to try and prosecute those responsible.

You thought you were making a point by trying to dismiss me as being partisan, the reality is they are completely different situations and failures.

 

[arknor]

Has there ever been a "traveller" grooming gang? since they tour the country so much and seem to be immune from the police?
I guess in there culture it's a big no no to date outsiders so having sex with them is probably frowned upon to? and they all get arranged marriages it seems or used to from a young age

People like Hurfdurf would blame the Tories for the asteroid that wiped out the Dinosaurs if they could

Who reduced the police forces? one of the parties did right was it tories when the never ending Austerity happened ?

I can't be bothered to google for the answer

 

[The Running Man]

Has there ever been a "traveller" grooming gang? since they tour the country so much and seem to be immune from the police?
I guess in there culture it's a big no no to date outsiders so having sex with them is probably frowned upon to? and they all get arranged marriages it seems or used to from a young age


Who reduced the police forces? one of the parties did right was it tories when the never ending Austerity happened ?

I can't be bothered to google for the answer

Arranged marriages don't stop these minorities from raping young girls. They see them as white trash.

 

[Roar87]

Well they've been in charge for over 10 years and they slashed police numbers. Has that helped or hindered investigations into crime?

You're literally ignoring the fact that the Police and councils have been aware of instances of this going on and literally ignored it, covered it up, and silenced whistle blowers. You're then choosing to blame national government who actually had to directly intervene and remove local councilors who were found to be covering it up. Blaming the Tories is lazy and actually just incorrect. The Police in my area brag about arresting local people for selling marijuana in the year 2021 while kids vandalise local businesses, the Police also seemingly have money to chase down people on Twitter for saying bad words, yet when it comes to child sex offenders suddenly funding's a problem and it's the Tories fault, bore off.

 

[Dolph]

There is everything if you actually bother to read the facts between how the 2 situations have been handled. In one you have deliberate ignoring of crime and lack of reporting by multiple agencies, in the other you have a 2 year named Op to try and prosecute those responsible.

You thought you were making a point by trying to dismiss me as being partisan, the reality is they are completely different situations and failures.

And you also have the police making multiple arrests, going through large amounts of potential evidence and ultimately concluding they can't meet the required evidential standard to charge them.

That's not indicative of under funding.

 

[Begbie]

Has there ever been a "traveller" grooming gang? since they tour the country so much and seem to be immune from the police?
I guess in there culture it's a big no no to date outsiders so having sex with them is probably frowned upon to? and they all get arranged marriages it seems or used to from a young age


Who reduced the police forces? one of the parties did right was it tories when the never ending Austerity happened ?

I can't be bothered to google for the answer

Not sure child grooming, rape gangs, pedophile is really engrained into gypsy culture......

As much as a bad press as they can have,they generally do a good job of self policing their communities and I doubt anything like that would be tolerated or would be easy to hide within such a close knit community.

 

[arknor]

Not sure child grooming, rape gangs, pedophile is really engrained into gypsy culture......

As much as a bad press as they can have,they generally do a good job of self policing their communities and I doubt anything like that would be tolerated or would be easy to hide within such a close knit community.

Yea I'm not suggesting the were taking part in such activity.

it's just you know they run the fairs where young people hang out and could easily take advantage of people.

but you don't seem to ever here of such things occurring.

Maybe they have more respect for women, even if it seems like all the women do 24/7 is clean

 

[explicit4u]

You're literally ignoring the fact that the Police and councils have been aware of instances of this going on and literally ignored it, covered it up, and silenced whistle blowers. You're then choosing to blame national government who actually had to directly intervene and remove local councilors who were found to be covering it up. Blaming the Tories is lazy and actually just incorrect. The Police in my area brag about arresting local people for selling marijuana in the year 2021 while kids vandalise local businesses, the Police also seemingly have money to chase down people on Twitter for saying bad words, yet when it comes to child sex offenders suddenly funding's a problem and it's the Tories fault, bore off.

So who do you blame while it's still happening under their watch?

 

[Roar87]

So who do you blame while it's still happening under their watch?

Do you think central government has a lot of involvement with Policing? They delegate funding to local councils. Boris Johnson has nothing to do with what the Police spend their time on.

 

[explicit4u]

Do you think central government has a lot of involvement with Policing? They delegate funding to local councils. Boris Johnson has nothing to do with what the Police spend their time on.

Priti Patel does though, again, who do you blame while it happens under a tory government?

 

[Roar87]

Priti Patel does though, again, who do you blame while it happens under a tory government?

What am I blaming something on, could you be specific?