police interview tatic

[Defcon5]

I think he means if you dont say anything at all, at any point. As if you were mute and deaf.

If they have no record of you and you had absolutely no ID and no property they they cant keep you in indefinately.

Then again you could end up on the first plane to Gitmo

 

[Chris [BEANS]]

Just discussing with my mate what if situations this came up.

If I got arrested and interviewed. Could I say nothing from the start not even my name or anything refuse everything and sit in the interview with my eyes shut and hands on ears ?

Would this give a person any advantage if the case went to court ? Providing they could prove you were you, as you wont give them any information or let them check your dna or fingerprints.

If you refuse to give fingerprints and DNA they will be taken by force.

You have no obligation to say anything at all, including your details, but if you have done nothing wrong, why not comply??

If you were to give a 'no comment' interview, which remaining silent throughout effectively is, and were to later attend court, any account you give at court can and probably will be given less credibility as you were given ample opportunity to give such an account at the time of arrest and chose not to do so.
It will be made clear to the jury that you have now had plenty of time to fabricate a story and you have done so once you have come in to possession of all of the evidence held against you. It will be emphasised that if your account is honest then there is no good reason that you could not have given it during your formal interview.

i aint no lawyer...

you were just using the advice they gave you, the you do not have to say anything part...... because it was followed by may be used against you...

best would be to ask for a lawyer, say nothing until it arrives... the police is not your friend, they are not trying to help, they would throw you under a bus if it closes the case...

You 'aint' very rational either. "(The police) would throw you under a bus if it closes the case"?!
Erm, no. I probably shouldn't be recognising such a juvenile and ludicrous comment with a reply but I'd be delighted to hear your reasoning.....?

 

[fail at the internets]

If i was innocent or guilty I wouldn't be saying a word until my lawyer had arrived. Police aren't your friends and aren't looking out for your best interests, if they can pin anything to you they will.

 

[Tefal]

You 'aint' very rational either. "(The police) would throw you under a bus if it closes the case"?!
Erm, no. I probably shouldn't be recognising such a juvenile and ludicrous comment with a reply but I'd be delighted to hear your reasoning.....?

it's a figure of speech he doesn't mean it literally.

to sacrifice some other person, usually one who is undeserving or at least vulnerable, to make personal gain.

and lets face it in all honesty there have been numerous cases of the police scapegoating people to cover up their own failings/abuses.

 

[HardwareGeek]

I have wondered about this before, assuming its not going to get to the court stage, would staying silent and waiting out the holding period work? maybe they could apply for abit more time but i guess they would need to release you pretty quickly anyways, so maybe a 1-3 day stay in the cells.

 

[lewism]

I have wondered about this before, assuming its not going to get to the court stage, would staying silent and waiting out the holding period work? maybe they could apply for abit more time but i guess they would need to release you pretty quickly anyways, so maybe a 1-3 day stay in the cells.

If it wasn't going to court then why would you want to waste you and the polices time waiting in some groggy cell?

 

[Chris [BEANS]]

What rational reason would the police have to persue an innocent person?!
If there are reasonable grounds to suspect a person of an offence, that person will be arrested.
This means that many innocent people will be arrested.
They will be interviewed and the evidence against them will be considered.
If, after this there does not appear to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the individual the police will sack it off.
If it appears that there is sufficient evidence then it will be presented to the CPS who will decide whether there is a realistic possibility of conviction. Again, of there isn't the whole thing will be sacked off.
If your innocent, you should cooperate fully and you'll be able to assist the police establish your innocence. All the quicker everything will be cleared up.

There are plenty of bad people out there doing bad things, why on earth does anyone think the old bill would be remotely interested in a witch hunt against an innocent person?!
There's plenty to be doing elsewhere.

Irrational conspiracy theories are exactly that... Irrational.

 

[HardwareGeek]

If it wasn't going to court then why would you want to waste you and the polices time waiting in some groggy cell?

Good point, just wondered really, could apply if a friend was being investigated or something and you didn't know what to say, so saying nothing might be best to make sure you don't say the wrong thing.

Also as for wasting police time, if i was wrongly arrested and had the time to spare i would probably be bloody minded enough to waste as much of their time as possible, and catch up on some sleep.

If they pop into my life and try and make things difficult for me, waste my time etc, then i'd probably be minded to do the same to them.

ps. Probably a very childish view, but depends on if they were polite and reasonable or rude tbh.

As with anything in life, polite gets help & cooperation, rude gets no help or passive obstruction.

 

[lewism]

Good point, just wondered really, could apply if a friend was being investigated or something and you didn't know what to say, so saying nothing might be best to make sure you don't say the wrong thing.

Also as for wasting police time, if i was wrongly arrested and had the time to spare i would probably be bloody minded enough to waste as much of their time as possible, and catch up on some sleep.

If they pop into my life and try and make things difficult for me, waste my time etc, then i'd probably be minded to do the same to them.

Again, if you or your friend was being investigated why would you not tell the truth? Police don't just "pop in" to peoples lifes for no reason.

 

[Tefal]

What rational reason would the police have to persue an innocent person?!
If there are reasonable grounds to suspect a person of an offence, that person will be arrested.
This means that many innocent people will be arrested.
They will be interviewed and the evidence against them will be considered.
If, after this there does not appear to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the individual the police will sack it off.
If it appears that there is sufficient evidence then it will be presented to the CPS who will decide whether there is a realistic possibility of conviction. Again, of there isn't the whole thing will be sacked off.
If your innocent, you should cooperate fully and you'll be able to assist the police establish your innocence. All the quicker everything will be cleared up.

There are plenty of bad people out there doing bad things, why on earth does anyone think the old bill would be remotely interested in a witch hunt against an innocent person?!
There's plenty to be doing elsewhere.

Irrational conspiracy theories are exactly that... Irrational.

Feel free to go investigate the numerous cases of perverting the course of justice carried out by police officers.


the ones that resulted in innocent people spending decades behind bars are particularly well reported.

but no it's the police's job to build a case not decide if your innocent, so yes they will build any case they can, it's the courts that decide if you're innocent or not.

 

[HardwareGeek]

Again, if you or your friend was being investigated why would you not tell the truth? Police don't just "pop in" to peoples lifes for no reason.

In the example i'm assuming i believe the friend could be or is guilty of something, at the time of interview i'm not 100% sure they are innocent.

I wouldn't actively lie to the police but i would consider saying nothing if i thought i could make things worse for said hypothetical friend etc.

 

[Rroff]

You lose nothing by giving your name, address, dob, etc. unless your guilty and you might as well anyhow in that case as they will find out sooner or later and neither they or the courts will look well on you for witholding that information.

As for the rest just no comment it if you like, infact usually better to say as little as possible IMO however if you go out of your way to wind them up by being as difficult as possible to interview that won't end well either.

 

[Amleto]

If your[sic] innocent, you should cooperate fully and you'll be able to assist the police establish your innocence. All the quicker everything will be cleared up.

There is an interesting youtube vid, admittedly for Americans, explaining why the 5th is so great and even innocent people should keep schtum.

 

[Chris [BEANS]]

Feel free to go investigate the numerous cases of perverting the course of justice carried out by police officers.


the ones that resulted in innocent people spending decades behind bars are particularly well reported.

but no it's the police's job to build a case not decide if your innocent, so yes they will build any case they can, it's the courts that decide if you're innocent or not.

I don't think you answered a single one of my points directly.
The police will not 'build any case they can'. That's just nonsence.

I've explained that the police will review the evidence. IF it appears there is a case to answer, the evidence will be presented to the CPS who will decide whether charges will be brought.

That's it.

As you say, the police do not decide who is innocent or guilty. They simply present the evidence.

 

[Malevolence]

"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court." Did you never watch The Bill?

I've often wondered this. After they've read your rights to you they always say something along the lines of "Do you understand these rights?". What happens if you say 'no'?

 

[twist3d0n3]

so eh... what did you do to the poor girl?

 

[Philtor]

the evidence will be presented to the CPS who will decide whether charges will be brought.

I hope they have gates to defend themselves

 

[Moley]

I've often wondered this. After they've read your rights to you they always say something along the lines of "Do you understand these rights?". What happens if you say 'no'?

If you want to annoy them answer like this:

"I do not understand the significance of those words and wish to exercise my right to refer to a copy of PACE - The Police and Criminal Evidence Act of 1984"

The cannot complete the arrest procedure until you have had the chance to read the book - it's pretty thick and might take you a few hours.

 

[Amleto]

If you want to annoy them answer like this:

"I do not understand the significance of those words and wish to exercise my right to refer to a copy of PACE - The Police and Criminal Evidence Act of 1984"

The cannot complete the arrest procedure until you have had the chance to read the book - it's pretty thick and might take you a few hours.

drink/drive delay tactic before being breathalised at the station?

 

[BarBrawllin]

What rational reason would the police have to persue an innocent person?!
If there are reasonable grounds to suspect a person of an offence, that person will be arrested.
This means that many innocent people will be arrested.
They will be interviewed and the evidence against them will be considered.
If, after this there does not appear to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the individual the police will sack it off.
If it appears that there is sufficient evidence then it will be presented to the CPS who will decide whether there is a realistic possibility of conviction. Again, of there isn't the whole thing will be sacked off.
If your innocent, you should cooperate fully and you'll be able to assist the police establish your innocence. All the quicker everything will be cleared up.

There are plenty of bad people out there doing bad things, why on earth does anyone think the old bill would be remotely interested in a witch hunt against an innocent person?!
There's plenty to be doing elsewhere.

Irrational conspiracy theories are exactly that... Irrational.

I was out with my mates one night when i was a teenager and they planted drugs on one of them(yes we all watched him do it right infront of us) because they beleived we had thrown some away before they got there All we were doing was hanging out in a quiet place having a laugh,so yeah,they walk around planting drugs on people,obviously this is rare but it happens!!!!!!

I remember getting picked up by a couple of C.I.D and they drove me around for an hour in their car trying to convince me i had been breaking into houses and just tell the truth and everything will be ok and trying to be very very intimidating

I can think of a good few instances from personal experience where they have broken the law to try and obtain information. Maybe the Glasgow police just have a higher percentage of corrupt scumbags working for them..


Oh,and i know a certain cheif inspector of a police station here who has stolen evidence from robberies,things like guns etc and has them buried in his dads farm,he actualy told us this when my father was quite friendly with the 2 of them,his dad was converting/modifying firearms etc aswell for the record and as far as i know is still working high up in the police im not even making this UP!! So stick that in your conspiracy pipe and smoke it