Political Correctness gone mad...

Burnsy2023 · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:30

barf0r said:
You missed his point. He isn't commenting on whether or not it is fair now, but saying that technological advances in the future will likely give unfair advantages.

What's to say that he'll upgrade?

What about accepting him under the pretense that he keeps his current pair?

Burnsy

branddaly · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:35

burnsy2023 said:
What's to say that he'll upgrade?

What about accepting him under the pretense that he keeps his current pair?

Burnsy

Whats to say that if he had normal legs that he wouldn't be a sucky runner, and its only due to an inheirant advantage of the artifical ones that allow him to be as fast as he is at present. Then you may get a more gifted athlete with springs for feet who can run much faster, at which point the able bodied are gonna really kick off.

R B Customs · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:39

surly he can just 'upgrade' his 'legs'

athletes cant... or if they can i think it is called drug abuse. this IMHO is 100% not fair. the guy should never have even brought such a silly thing up!

barf0r · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:43

burnsy2023 said:
What's to say that he'll upgrade?

What about accepting him under the pretense that he keeps his current pair?

Burnsy

Not necessarily him, but maybe future athletes in 15 years.

Like scorza said:

scorza said:
Very strange case. Will society end up like in Aeon Flux whereby people disfigure themselves to become better human beings? Amputating feet and replacing them with hands for example to become better at mountain climbing...

Gooner14 · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:48

-|ScottFree|- said:
Half a second faster would put him among the elite "white" 100m runners in the world (I think Im right in saying that no white man has ever run 100m under 10 seconds, although I will stand corrected if proved otherwise)

A white man has done it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Roy_Newton

but they won't ratified his time for several reasons. So 49 men have run under 10secs, none of whom were white.

Glaucus · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:49

burnsy2023 said:
How do you know that he's not been running for years to get the 10.91 time he achieved? Why do we immediatly think this is an unfair advantage?

Burnsy

those two legs are essential large springs, it's already an unfair advantage.

He has the right to request a hearing, but it better get turned down.

what ever artificial limbs a runner uses, you can never guarantee they don't give you an advantage. That's why they aren't and should never be aloud.

Burnsy2023 · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:54

branddaly said:
Whats to say that if he had normal legs that he wouldn't be a sucky runner, and its only due to an inheirant advantage of the artifical ones that allow him to be as fast as he is at present. Then you may get a more gifted athlete with springs for feet who can run much faster, at which point the able bodied are gonna really kick off.

Inherant advantage? Thats a big assumption. Artificial legs have the disadvantage of not knowing when you're losing grip, you don't get any nervous feedback.

We don't know whether the legs are an advantage or disadvantage and making any assumption is silly.

His time of 10.91 isn't even a top 8 time in the last European Championships (10.84 being the slowest).

Burnsy

Burnsy2023 · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:56

AcidHell2 said:
those two legs are essential large springs, it's already an unfair advantage.

An athletes legs are essentially springs, although organic ones.

I think it'll need to be tightly regulated, but I don't think it should be immediatly dismissed.

Burnsy

Glaucus · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:58

burnsy2023 said:
An athletes legs are essentially springs, although organic ones.

I think it'll need to be tightly regulated, but I don't think it should be immediatly dismissed.

Burnsy

Of course it should be instantly dismissed.

there not made from flesh and bone. they have no feeling, they don't use oxygen up and they don't get cramp.

aardvark · 9 Jul 2007 at 20:10

AcidHell2 said:
Of course it should be instantly dismissed.

there not made from flesh and bone. they have no feeling, they don't use oxygen up and they don't get cramp.

exactly - why are they even thinking about it?

its obvious he has an unfair advantage.

Rich · 9 Jul 2007 at 21:45

ScarySquirrel said:
My first thought was to search for him on YouTube and I found this hilarious video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnoGaLAMq48

Watch the guy in red cross the line, lol

LOL, crosses the line on HIS FACE. I know, I shouldn't laugh, but sod it

SpeedFreak · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:18

AcidHell2 said:
those two legs are essential large springs, it's already an unfair advantage.

He has the right to request a hearing, but it better get turned down.

what ever artificial limbs a runner uses, you can never guarantee they don't give you an advantage. That's why they aren't and should never be aloud.

aren't tendons and ligaments effectively springs?

Azagoth · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:21

SpeedFreak said:
aren't tendons and ligaments effectively springs?

True, so on the day that you can upgrade your tendons and ligaments that guy can compete against complete athletes.

SpeedFreak · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:22

AcidHell2 said:
Of course it should be instantly dismissed.

there not made from flesh and bone. they have no feeling, they don't use oxygen up and they don't get cramp.

if you run 100 meters properly, you do not tie up. Powell is at top speed crossing the line.

Look at is this way, if I was given springs on my feet, could I beat my best 100m time? No

Even if technology advances, it will only take him closer to his best potential time.

Glaucus · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:29

SpeedFreak said:
Look at is this way, if I was given springs on my feet, could I beat my best 100m time? No

yes, you can buy kangaroo shoes, that will significantly improve your running time, these are based on springs.

and you're not talking tenths here, your talking seconds.

it's olympics, you have to play on a fair field, that's why drugs are banned. If you allow him in, you should allow drugs. it's no diffrent.

SpeedFreak · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:32

AcidHell2 said:
yes, you can buy kangaroo shoes, that will significantly improve your running time, these are based on springs.

In all honesty, I disagree. My personal best is a fraction over 11.1 seconds. Albeit at a school meet, but the average of two clocks so should be pretty accurate.
There is no way I could take seconds off that, even with the biggest pogo stick in the world

Glaucus · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:37

SpeedFreak said:
In all honesty, I disagree. My personal best is a fraction over 11.1 seconds. Albeit at a school meet, but the average of two clocks so should be pretty accurate.
There is no way I could take seconds off that, even with the biggest pogo stick in the world

so strapping a pair of these on, increasing your stride by feet and running at 15-20mph wouldn't shave seconds of your time.

Look at the shape and construction, oh look almost identical top his artificial limbs, only he uses advanced composites leaf springs rather than conventional springs.

http://www.flyjumperstore.com/product.php?productid=3&cat=3&page=1

Burnsy2023 · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:40

AcidHell2 said:
so strapping a pair of these on, increasing your stride by feet and running at 15-20mph wouldn't shave seconds of your time.

Look at the shape and construction, oh look almost identical top his artificial limbs, only he uses advanced composites leaf springs rather than conventional springs.

http://www.flyjumperstore.com/product.php?productid=3&cat=3&page=1

HAHAHA!!!

As an owner of two pairs of these I can confidently say that these will slow your 100m time not increase it.

Burnsy

Glaucus · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:42

burnsy2023 said:
HAHAHA!!!

As an owner of two pairs of these I can confidently say that these will slow your 100m time not increase it.

Burnsy

so how about a composite artificial leg? that is the right size, not something ins't just strapped on? The point stands.

SpeedFreak · 9 Jul 2007 at 22:42

there is also the assumption that your calf muscle is a dead weight. It is a key part in the generation of speed, which cannot be replaced with a piece of carbon.

So, does having no calf muscle give him an advantage? I highly doubt it.