Poll: Poll, nVidia CEO on Free Sync, is he believable or not?

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During CES nVidia's CEO announced they would be supporting the Adaptive Sync Technology that does not require the proprietary G-Sync module, these screens are AMD's equivalent open standard technology called Free-Sync.

Jensen Huang claims they have tested over 400 Free-Sync screens for G-Sync without the G-Sync module for compatibility and only 12 of those pass their certification standards.
Huang went on to state that some of the screens he tested had serious flaws, like flicking and poor image quality, he even insisted these screens do not work on AMD's GPU's.

Now, some have speculated that what nVidia are infact doing is certifying Free-Sync screens as G-Sync compatible for a monetary fee paid for by vendors who wish to have said certification which in turn opens up a much wider market for them.
With all the noise Huang is making about Free Sync being flawed it suggests only the certified screen's actually work, Its very aggressive marketing based deliberately on hyperbolic falsehoods.

Free-Sync has been around for some years now, if it was unusable technology on AMD GPU's i think we would have heard about those problems by now, in fact most tech journalists who have commented on it have said they don't recognise Jensen Huang claims.
And surely a flickering screen is grounds for RMA, vendors are not selling flickering screens and claiming its normal. or are they? you can answer that.

IMO Jensen Huang has found another revenue stream and is trying to force screen vendors to pay him for certification by planting the idea in peoples heads that Adaptive Sync Technology only works with nVidia's certification and doesn't work at all on AMD's GPU's.

I'm interested to know how right Jensen Huang is about how much people actually believe him.
The poll question:

Do you believe Jensen Huang's claims about the Free-Sync?

Possible Answerers:

I believe Jensen Huang.
I do not believe Jensen Huang.
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’FreeSync doesn’t work’
On Sunday, Nvidia announced it would begin supporting Vesa Adaptive Sync, aka AMD’s FreeSync for variable refresh rate gaming. While some have painted this as Nvidia finally caving, that doesn’t seem to be Huang’s view.

“We never competed,” Huang said of upcoming FreeSync support. “(FreeSync) was never proven to work. As you know, we invented the area of adaptive sync. The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work. They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards.”

Huang’s criticism can probably be easily dismissed as hyperbole as clearly the bulk of AMD Radeon and FreeSync users have had no issues.

However, he does have data from his own labs that say there are problems from Nvidia’s point of view. The company tested 400 FreeSync panels and found only 12 that would turn on G-Sync automatically. The others require a manual override.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/333...x-2080-will-crush-amds-underwhelming-gpu.html

 

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i don't believe there testing bs (see below), but i do believe they will support it in there own way allowing them to charge manufacturers for testing potentially.

i will says his claims are rubbish about it not working, Ive tested quite a few and own a few and they all work to there specification. some seem to think there is a 2.4.1 ratio in play that they have enabled on purpose during testing which will cause lower range monitors to fail.

Interesting, thanks.

 

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Needs a 'Pancake' option.

You know what... to lighted the mood why not.

 

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He's full of ****.

To put it bluntly i agree.

 

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Read the pc world article, one of his laughable criteria for a pass or fail was if the monitor automatically enabled gsync mode, if it didn't it was classed as a fail which quite obviously massively inflated his numbers. Apparently a toggle in the video options is too much of a brain buster for most pc users to handle, at least on planet leather jacket.

Right, its not like they don't already have vertical sync options in their incredibly dated driver control panel.

 

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Jens: "FreeSync doesn't work"
Acer, LG, Asus, et al: "I'm sorry, what now?"
Jens: "FreeSync doesn't work!"
Acer, LG, Asus, et al: "I think you find it does. Are you suggesting we sell defective products?"
Jens: "But FreeSync doesn't work!"
Acer, LG, Asus, et al: *litigation*

Consumers "AMD have adaptive sync without the need for proprietary hardware, If AMD can do it why can't you?"
Jens "Free-Sync doesn't work even on AMD GPU's"

 

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I think you are slightly confused Freesync monitors are adaptive sync monitors. Or if you want to go down the route of been super pedantic, then there are no Freesync monitors out there, there are only adaptive sync monitors that support Freesync. As long as Intel or Nvidia have the hardware on their GPU's that meet the Display port 1.2a specification they can connect to the same adaptive sync monitors, but they will have to write drivers to support it.

When the Nvidia driver comes out and it detects one of the approved adaptive sync monitors it will automatically turn on Gsync (or whatever they decide to call it) But any adaptive sync monitor will work with it, you can enable it manually in the control panel. It's just it might not work as well as the monitors on the approved list.

My guess is they are just testing monitors that can do the full range of the panel that's installed. So if it's a 100Hz monitor, that it works from 30 to 100hz, that if it's a 144hz monitor, it works from 30 to 144hz. ETC. ETC.

It's also why I think some of what he is saying it's true. I do believe that some monitor manufacturers have done the bare limits to support adaptive sync. Those monitors with a super short ranges for example. And I also think there is some fine tuning to be done to get it working properly with each monitor. I just wonder how many monitor manufacturers in their budget lines actually went to the trouble of this fine tuning? Probably very few. So I can well believe that there are monitors out there that don't work well with Freesync.

None of that is in dispute, its when he claims
"some Free Sync screens flicker"
"The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work."
"(FreeSync) was never proven to work"
"They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards"

He's basically full of it.

 

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They made the claim, so it will work. Lawsuits would ensue if not, so that is the bottom line. What I or anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

Its not as simple as that, i mean do you actually believe it must be true or they'd be sued? corporate litigation is incredibly expensive and if you can't afford to take someone like nVidia to court nVidia can say pretty much what they like about you without fear of repercussion.

Lets say one of these smaller screen vendors take nVidia to court, they will have to pay for Lawers and research and all-sorts of crap, all nVidia do is string out the case for many many years until the complainant either bankrupt's themselves or drop's the complaint for lack of finances.

Many a good companies have been consigned to history like this.

 

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Not sure how simple it is to explain but here is a list of monitors tested and what it entails.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/g-sync-ces-2019-announcements/
Ryan Shrout at PCPer has a way of testing if VRR is working (how they tested all the way down to 14 fps on G-Sync), so if NVidia are telling lies, they will be taken to court and it is that simple.

What nVidia's criteria are for certifying G-Sync -Free Sync is utterley irrelevent to the descution here, that belongs in the other thread.

This one is about Jensen Huang's claims.

Those being.

"Some Free Sync screens flicker"
"The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work."
"(FreeSync) was never proven to work"
"They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards"

In my view he is knowingly making false claims with that ^^^

I propose he is a lair, he can try and sue me for that if he likes, he's welcome to my GPU as compensation....

 

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It works perfectly fine on AMD GPU's, no mater which screen.

My fear is Jensen Huang claiming "it doesn't work on AMD GPU's" and "Free-Sync never having been proven to work", all that... is because he intends to deliberately not make it work on screens he chooses not to 'Certify'.

 

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Why is there no poll in this poll?

I've asked the Mods to make it a poll.

 

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I will do it when I get to my PC if no one has done it before then.

I appreciate it thank you

 

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All done

Awesome, thank you

 

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So 58% don't believe Jens and 32% like Rossi's Pancakes.

Why do they do it? lie like this when no one believes it.

 

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I think what he's saying is it doesn't work in the same consistent way you get with Gsync.

For example every Gsync panel meets the same minimum standards. The same cannot be said for FreeSync. A lot of variation in features and support between different panels/manufactures.

So he's not *entirely* wrong in saying it doesn't work. He's just over simplified it.

That sounds like a slimy politician having said something quite clearly and after having been ridiculed for it trying to explain away "what i meant by it was......"

 

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Slimy or not, it's the lay of the land.

FreeSync needs to be standardised and it needs to be enforced for a monitor to be FreeSync certified it needs to meet or exceed a set minimum set of features and support for the technology.

Then and ONLY then will it meet the same quality set by Gsync.

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Even better would be to say, there is no 'exceeds' and only it meets or it doesn't meet.

Thus FreeSync certified or not.

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I know FreeSync 2 is meant to solve this issue and do what I say above, but has it achieved it?

This ambiguity wouldn't exist if it had solved the problem.

Free-Sync has made Adaptive Sync Technology available on screens costing as little as £99, if AMD were to force minimum standards on screen vendors the price of them will go up, nVidia's screens start at around £400. Its why G-Sync despite nVidia owning 80% of the market can only be described as a failure compared with Free-Sync.

 

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That's a good point. And very important for those on budgets. I accept that.

But then you must accept that the premium vsync technology is Gysnc and the cheap second tier technology is FreeSync.

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But again back to Jensen's comments it's this ambiguity that he is referring too with his comments.

A lot of reviewers have done blind tests with the general public and professional gamers, in all cases none of them could tell the difference between Free-Sync and G-Sync, they used G-Sync and Free-Sync equivalents of the same screen and i have no doubt that a £200 Free-Sync screen vs a £600 G-Sync screen the difference would be obvious to those eyes.

Free-Sync works just as well as G-Sync or not as well, depending on what your willing to pay.

 

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And this in a nutshell is what Jensen is referring too. He just encapsulated it up in too 'it doest work' because it's not standardised.

"The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work."
"(FreeSync) was never proven to work"
"They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards"

No mate....

 

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With comments like that there is no way even Tony Blairs spin doctors would take on the task of making it sound like he meant something different. It's all there in black and white.

Exactly.

Gsync is competing with a free product which does the same job. It was never going to survive.

We are lucky AMD (and Intel I guess) aren't interested in locking people in to their own ecosystem and see that it only does bad things to the industry.

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They already do this, its called Free-Sync 2

To get 'Free-Sync 2' certification minimum standards need to be met, they are:

Minimum low latency DisplayHDR 400.
Free-Sync 2 panels must have Low Frame Rate Compensation.

Panels that don't meet those specifications are branded Free-Sync.