Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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Vonhelmet said:
That's called a gift with reservation of benefit (GROB) in IHT terms, I'm sure they'd see that coming on the social care front as well ;)
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it is funny how the same thing has been brought up by various different people in this thread over the past couple of days - as though HMRC and/or the local authorities had never considered such an idea
 
Uther said:
Yep, if you own a house worth over 100k, and vote them in, they have you over a barrel.
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In my case the Tories will have to be in continuous power for 25+ years for it to effect me. This is only going to effect anyone over 70+ in the next 10 years or so.
 
robgmun said:
In my case the Tories will have to be in continuous power for 25+ years for it to effect me. This is only going to effect anyone over 70+ in the next 10 years or so.
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You mean the vast majority of their voter base...
Plus, once this is brought in, are you just going to hope that it gets repealed in the future?
 
Uther said:
Yep, if you own a house worth over 100k, and vote them in, they have you over a barrel.
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If and when you need social care provided. Or just vote labour and pay for it in increased taxation leading to higher prices. I cannot see corporates paying all that extra tax without increasing their profitability a bit. Prices mean VAT also.

The extra £20 per week from the 1.5 million taxpayers over £80k is 1.5 billion. Say 3 billion to be generous. That is going to go a long way with students, the NHS and social care.
 
Uther said:
You mean the vast majority of their voter base you mean...
Plus, once this is brought in, are you just going to hope that it gets repealed in the future?
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If Labour get there act together and get back in you bet they'll repeal it, they love throwing money at social care and the NHS. It's a certainty, anyone under the age of 60 have nothing to fear from this
 
Vonhelmet said:
All this faffing about worrying about asset stripping the middle classes is worrying about a symptom of far bigger problems.
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It's not that the middle classes (in this case home owners) are going to have to pay more that worries me, it's just another stealth tax that hits some more than others. I'm all for paying more tax on my income if it means it's clearer what I'll have to live on in the future, what I'll be able to provide for my children. What I really want is an excellent free education system, NHS and care system paid for by income tax.
 
HazardO said:
It's not that the middle classes (in this case home owners) are going to have to pay more that worries me, it's just another stealth tax that hits some more than others. I'm all for paying more tax on my income if it means it's clearer what I'll have to live on in the future, what I'll be able to provide for my children. What I really want is an excellent free education system, NHS and care system paid for by income tax.
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Hello Labour!
 
robgmun said:
If Labour get there act together and get back in you bet they'll repeal it, they love throwing money at social care and the NHS. It's a certainty, anyone under the age of 60 have nothing to fear from this
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People get ill long before they're 60. It won't be repealed.
 
HazardO said:
It's not that the middle classes (in this case home owners) are going to have to pay more that worries me, it's just another stealth tax that hits some more than others. I'm all for paying more tax on my income if it means it's clearer what I'll have to live on in the future, what I'll be able to provide for my children. What I really want is an excellent free education system, NHS and care system paid for by income tax.
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This. I will happily pay several pence more now in tax than have all these uncertain taxes in the future. Look at the insurance stealth tax. its now 12% and 20% depending on the insurance. Only 7 years ago it was half that. All that ever seems to happen is that direct taxation slowly goes down and all the stealth taxes go up and new ones come in. They all cost money to administer as well.

Lets keep it simple and just keep income tax a bit higher.

I have said ages ago the simple solution to winter payments isnt means testing but set an income limit as a pensioner where its tapered taxed to 100%. Simples. No need for extra cost administering it and putting people off applying for it.
 
VincentHanna said:
Hello Labour!
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I wish, but they keep on banging on about the super rich all the time, usual politics of division. Sure we need more money from the super rich, but IMO to save our services and give our children a chance we all need to chip in bar those who earn too little to tax.
I would scrap NI completely, and increase income tax base rate to cover the difference. I'd then also increase base rate income tax further to get to the point where we can get our services running properly again, and make a start on the national debt. I would also take the poorest out of taxation completely by increasing the tax free allowance to the amount which a person on minimum wage would expect as an annual salary.

The other thing about Labour is that they're authoritarians like the the Conservatives. Party politics is never entirely one issue..

I think I might be a Liberal..
 
Fair enough

If you really aren't sure but don't want the conservatives then I think these are the best two options:

1) Vote for the local MP who you feel best supports your views and will do the best for your community

2) Vote tactically.
 
Uther said:
Yep, if you own a house worth over 100k, and vote them in, they have you over a barrel.
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Hold on, you always have the option of not taking advantage of the social care services offered by local authorities you know. Children could look after their parents instead of the state - just a thought.
 
Nice idea in principle. Difficult when Inflation is outstripping wage growth and people are already struggling financially.

People are living older than ever before and their needs are much greater than 30 years ago. It's really not easy to care for somebody that doesn't even recognise you anymore, they get aggressive, they often need very specialist care.
 
Efour said:
It wont be repelled because it will be a fantastic source of income for whatever government.
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indeed - and given the growing elderly population trying to repeal it would mean trying to find rather a lot of money from elsewhere... also the residential care arrangements already mean 1/4 people have the equity in their home counted - if these people now have the floor raised from 23k to 100k then a new labour govt has that to budget for too. Could be rather hard to justify reversing this for non-residential care only... not to mention that a wealth tax of some sort isn't exactly a right wing policy - this would fit in well ideologically with labour anyway.

VincentHanna said:
People are living older than ever before and their needs are much greater than 30 years ago. It's really not easy to care for somebody that doesn't even recognise you anymore, they get aggressive, they often need very specialist care.
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people who need very specialist care are already having the equity in their homes counted right now as they'll move to residential care
 
scorza said:
Hold on, you always have the option of not taking advantage of the social care services offered by local authorities you know. Children could look after their parents instead of the state - just a thought.
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The same kids struggling to raise their own amid crazy rent prices and a property ladder almost impossible for the younger generations to get on?

Nah, might work that way for some but overall it's slim pickings.

I would have no chance of providing social care for my parents now as it stands, none whatsoever. Suppose i've got 10 grand equity in our house. Could make my children homeless temporarily and go into rented accommodation that costs more.

I swear half the dimwits on this forum are living in a parallel universe with no sense of what life actually is for the majority in this country.
 
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Arthur Hucksake said:
The same kids struggling to raise their own amid crazy rent prices and a property ladder almost impossible for the younger generations to get on?

Nah, might work that way for some but overall it's slim pickings.

I would have no chance of providing social care for my parents now as it stands, none whatsoever.
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well this is the thing... people's assets are already considered when providing care - if the government didn't take assets into consideration then that means the working population is going to be footing the bill

seems to me that it is a bit unfair for these kids struggling to raise their own amid crazy rent prices and trying to get onto the property ladder should also be funding the social care of those elderly property owners who have far more in assets than they do
 
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