If we all get state schooling offered to us up to age 18 then we are all on a even level in terms of opportunity. Start paying for peoples adult choices then things become incredibly unfair as not everyone will want to go, be academic enough to go or even require to go (some jobs/careers just do not require degree level education!). What about paying for plumbing courses, certifications, tools etc for tradesmen?
Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
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If we all get state schooling offered to us up to age 18 then we are all on a even level in terms of opportunity. Start paying for peoples adult choices then things become incredibly unfair as not everyone will want to go, be academic enough to go or even require to go (some jobs/careers just do not require degree level education!). What about paying for plumbing courses, certifications, tools etc for tradesmen?
I haven't read the 43-page manifesto but maybe vocational courses are covered as well?
Why? You can change your vote, I just have.
Ok, what about providing business start up money for would be entrepreneurs? Nah, that would never win votes, but it's an adult decision on how to steer your life after school. It needs to be paid for by the individuals.
However, I do agree with giving an allowance of places each year on courses that will provided the skills required for gaps in our labour market - with caveats, you don't do the degree then **** off to another country with the degree that has just been paid for you, at least have a period of say 5 years so that it is repaid back to society in some way.
he explained why in his post - the second sentence
And the poll has the ability for you to change your vote as the campaigns effect opinion....
Right, but it doesn't track trends.
If you change your vote, we have no way of knowing (without digging) whether you've been effected by the campaign pledges and so on.
Plus, a new poll is a fresh start. The majority of people aren't going to faff about changing votes etc, but will happily click on a new thread/poll and vote. Let's not pretend otherwise.
If you change your vote, we have no way of knowing (without digging) whether you've been effected by the campaign pledges and so on.
Plus, a new poll is a fresh start. The majority of people aren't going to faff about changing votes etc, but will happily click on a new thread/poll and vote. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Actually I agree with this.Would be interesting to see a vote after the manifestos are released.
Again not every kid goes to school until they are 18. Its recognized that its beneficial for the country as a whole to have a well educated population. Equally some countries recognize the same applies to University as well and pays the fees.
Id run with that. Selective course funding with a tie in
you've already said that and you're missing the point, as already pointed out the other poster wanted to see the change in opinion
If you pass on going to university because of the current tuition fees, then you don't deserve to be there in the first place. The loan repayments are completely negligible, and most won't pay them back anyway.
I really don't understand the incessant moaning. They could always live in the US where some parents have to remortgage their property to be able to put their kids through university...
It was my understanding that education was now compulsory up to the age of 18.
''You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you'll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays. You must then do one of the following until you're 18: stay in full-time education, for example at a college. start an apprenticeship or traineeship.''
Not my emphasis, copy/paste from the .gov site.
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Education includes certain apprenticeships and stuff. Not necessarily the standard college, though most do at spend at least some exam time there
I guess at least with the current system if people chose to pursue courses which don't have much economic value then they have to accept personal responsibility for that decision to some extent.
They've got to be paid for one way or another and frankly with the number of university places available these days, which for many graduates will lead to jobs where a degree perhaps isn't really needed, it is probably better that people do pay for their tuition. So long as the govt is prepared to cover the costs via a loan then it doesn't serve as a barrier to higher education.
They've got to be paid for one way or another and frankly with the number of university places available these days, which for many graduates will lead to jobs where a degree perhaps isn't really needed, it is probably better that people do pay for their tuition. So long as the govt is prepared to cover the costs via a loan then it doesn't serve as a barrier to higher education.
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Pretty much agree with this. I lived my university life on a loan. I studied a subject that requires a fair bit of funding and would hate to see these courses gutted due to lack funding due to poor spending in education.
Medical courses are incredibly expensive to fund mostly being paid for by the NHS, University (through education budget) and a small fraction by student. Places are limited for these courses because the cost on these sort of courses mainly being covered by the government (the government allocates a maximum number of funded entries to the course for each university each year). We are in great need for people in these industries and we will see the number of allocated spaces drop further if tuition fees for everyone is removed.
So yeah, what will happen is tuition fees will be removed so everyone can go to university for free, well, everyone who wants to study a cheap course like business management. If you want to do a medical course or a physics course, you will have to enter the application lottery and hope you get a chance to qualify and work in an industry Britain is desperate for...
I am for everyone being able to study what they want, which is what we have now. By removing the loan system and taking money out of the budget to pay for everyone, then you only lower the number of available places on courses which require more funding.
If you want free or cheap university courses why not subsidise some of these courses via a work program. I had friends of mine doing business study courses and and another doing finance courses at university which were 7 and 9 hours (full time courses, not evening classes) a week of lectures plus a little pre-reading. Plenty of time to spare that could be spent learning the application of the subject by doing a few hours a week at a subject related company. That company gets labour for the price of subsidising their tuition. Students can find out what the real work environment is like, even if they end up doing admin under people doing the qualified job. Pretty much like a third year optional placement but part time during lecture years and paid directly to the university.
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