Poor Marius

RDM said:
There is something to be said about picking and choosing the best place to spend your limited conservation budget on areas which will make the greatest impact. If another dozen species go extinct because we are spending so much time and money on pandas is that really a win?
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Oh good, someone capable of logical thinking.

Pandas are a cute but evolutionary dead end, they present nothing of interest to science and the Chinese are quite capable of looking after them. All of which is partly political because the Chinese don't give a stuff about decimating the elephant and rhino populations, or polluting their own country. Pandas are just their token effort in pretending to look Green.

The twentieth copy of a giraffe is of no use to a zoo intending to study breeding giraffes, unless you want to turn zoos into "collect everything" centres or the equivalent of a donkey sanctuary. What do you think happens to male cows? Nearly all are culled.

Some people in this thread have no clue what zoos do and as usual have resorted to getting personal.
Expected more from Fox but whatever.

Zoo culling procedure
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/zoos/documents/zoo-handbook/1app2.pdf


Zoos cull as normal practice, they just don't tell the public who may get upset over the fluffy things.
There are no "sanctuaries" for wild animals, they are killed. Sorry if that upsets some of you.
Some animals like tigers are kept as long as possible, mostly because they live so long and handlers get attached.


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But the point is they had no need to kill it when Yorkshire zoo said they would take him and give it a nice life.
 
Dave85 said:
But the point is they had no need to kill it when Yorkshire zoo said they would take him and give it a nice life.
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Zoos are not donkey sanctuaries, we do not need to save every single copy of a giraffe.
We do however need to reserve resources for animals with different lines of DNA.

Copenhagen made the best decision based on scientific reasoning. Some animal rights group kicks up a self promoting fuss over what is normal procedure.
There is nothing to see here.
 
strange that probably most people here cry about a giraffe but are quite happy to see any other animal killed for a burger....hahahhaaha....two faced people at their best ....rofl
 
bitslice said:
Zoos are not donkey sanctuaries, we do not need to save every single copy of a giraffe.
We do however need to reserve resources for animals with different lines of DNA.

Copenhagen made the best decision based on scientific reasoning. Some animal rights group kicks up a self promoting fuss over what is normal procedure.
There is nothing to see here.
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This is all very spartan isn't it? Considering that an animal is useless unless its useful for breeding purposes?

Each animal is a living thing that has every right to live without being killed needlessly by poachers, or anyone else.
 
This is very sad. :(

Other zoos (with animal experts themselves) were happy to take him, so that would have been the best course of action.
 
bitslice said:
Zoos are not donkey sanctuaries, we do not need to save every single copy of a giraffe.
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I agree with you in principle and therefore had the Yorkshire zoo not come forward having made the decision on that basis it would be a sad but otherwise non-issue.

But for whatever reason they decided they DID want it.
 
I appreciate their logic, but there's definitely a lack of compassion.

Giraffe gets the Hitler treatment tbh.

^good point re: vasectomy. Perhaps there were useful reasons for the autopsy.
 
[TW]Fox;25815419 said:
I agree with you in principle and therefore had the Yorkshire zoo not come forward having made the decision on that basis it would be a sad but otherwise non-issue.

But for whatever reason they decided they DID want it.
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Because that then sets a precedent, that any time a genetically unimportant animal is up for culling all some animal rights activist has to do is squeal, the public are outraged at the fluffiness and some shmuck has to fund the care of yet another scientificaly useless animal.

Either you run zoos as primarily places to study breeding or you run them as entertainment for children. So what if Yorkshire had a place? What happens when they overbreed next year? What happens if a better animal turns up?
Somewhere a giraffe is going to get culled anyway.

Bird sanctuaries destroy eggs, wolf sanctuaries destroy entire packs of wolves, all for good scientific reasons.

If Copenhagen had a spare Icelandic Stripey Gerbil nobody would care, so this is entirely down to a 'save all the fluffies' type mentality, and the animal rights groups needing more donations to attack yet another under funded organisation.



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Nitefly said:
I appreciate their logic, but there's definitely a lack of compassion.

Giraffe gets the Hitler treatment tbh.
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Did you deliberately Godwin the thread? :D

Nitefly said:
^good point re: vasectomy. Perhaps there were useful reasons for the autopsy.
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These days Zoos tend to exist as breeding programmes (certainly the Zoo near us is) and so a snipped Marius would be a cost instead of saving money as tasty lion snacks.
 
In breeding or not, still feel for the poor sod. The zoo seemed so cold in some of their statements, at least the big cats get something out of it. So why couldn't they have chopped off his ball balls?
 
robfosters said:
I considered your opinion until I read the last sentence.

Ridiculous thing to say. We should just let a beautiful species go extinct due to money worries?
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Many species will go extinct whether we like it or not.

Only takes a couple heavily armed poacher crews, coupled with demand for animal products from the Asian regions. Hell, the poachers have helicopters and RPGs these days. And they're happy to poison entire water courses and mass slaughter all wildlife to get what they want.

Asians wants ivory and exotic skins, so wildlife doesn't have a chance.
 
RDM said:
These days Zoos tend to exist as breeding programmes (certainly the Zoo near us is) and so a snipped Marius would be a cost instead of saving money as tasty lion snacks.
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I can understand that for threatened species but giraffes are in the 'Least Concern' category. It's not like we need to breed them.
 
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