Poor Nokia

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Yeah, that makes sense, but they all had to start somewhere. If Nokia did develop a new OS i'm sure they would make it backward compatible with OVI store and all the apps there.

Owning Navteq does give nokia the opportunity to dominate in terms of Navigation, particularly over Android systems.
 
You missed my point. How many Android phones do HTC and Samsung currently sell?

HTC: Desire HD, Desire Z, Wildfire and Desire and Potentially the Legend (although do they actually still sell many?). EDIT: And the Smart.

You've minimised you're view to only the UK market. If you check any Android site, they're littered with new devices and rumours about Android phones built by HTC and Samsung. I think you'll find there are currently around 20 Android handsets that HTC built (including those that are no longer manufactured).

My initial point in my first post: HTC and Samsung are concentrating on Android (evidently). Nokia is a HW company, MS is a SW company, this option appears viable for Nokia to choose WP7

Plus, I think them jumping onto the WP7 is great. It's probably going to drive the development of WP7 a lot I hope. HTC and Samsung are too bothered with Android to give a damn about WP7. How many Phone have HTC and Samsung announced for new releases of WP7 phones (I guess MWC will tell)?

I reckon Nokia can push the development of WP7 (especially as Elop is ex-MS). Nokia are still on of the biggest handset makers in the world, and they have fans in northern Europe.
 
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You did not 'throw it away' at all, don't be so dramatic. Nobody throws a brand new phone in the bin.

Why do you have to take things literally? Very strange. It was a euphemism. ;)
 
It's a fair few more than that if you count the ones available in the US.

Which are just rebadged versions of phones over here, either way there HTC WP7 phones over there that aren't over here too.

Or people will look at other people's higher spec Android handsets and realise, like most technology, you get what you pay for. So next time round they may invest in a higher budget Android handset.

You overestimate the intelligence of most people I think. To them they probably don't realise the higher budget android handsets are higher budget (or care) as they get the one that comes free with their package.

Either way cheap, poor performance handsets will have a negative impact on the Android brand whichever way you look at it.


You've minimised you're view to only the UK market. If you check any Android site, they're littered with new devices and rumours about Android phones built by HTC and Samsung. I think you'll find there are currently around 20 Android handsets that HTC built (including those that are no longer manufactured).

My initial point in my first post: HTC and Samsung are concentrating on Android (evidently). Nokia is a HW company, MS is a SW company, this option appears viable for Nokia to choose WP7

Ahh, so we're including phones no longer manufactured? In which case I guess I can include all the WM phones in the list too... So that's around 100 I guess... ;)

There's a reason I specifically said ones manufactured at the moment. You can't really suggest a company are concentrating more on one thing than another by citing things they used to sell!

Lets put it another way. Lets compare the number of phones released in the last 6 months, Android and WP (reasonably fair considering we're talking about what currently concentrating on).

That's 5 WP7 devices worldwide (Add HTC surround) and 4 Android phones (HD, Z, Mytouch and Gratia (never heard of that one!)).

In fairness to Android there were 7 other Android phones released in the last 12 months and one WinMo device.

In comparison (because I think it is reasonably fair to compare) since Android was released at the end of 2008 HTC have manufactured 16 phones. They manufactured 22 WinMo phones in that time.

As I said HTC definately aren't concentrating on Android to the expense of WP7. It'll be interesting to see what MWC and the next few months bring up as it's not that fair comparing an established ecosystem to one that is only a few months old (ala WM and Android).

Samsung are not much different, they released 7 Android phones in the last year but none in the last 6 months, whereas they released 2 WP devices in those 6 months.

EDIT: Having said all that I don't see HTC releasing a new WP device at MWC because they have all the bases covered with pretty new phones (4 months old) and cannot release budget ones due to the restrictions put on them by the WP minimum requirements. Obviously Nokia building WP7 phones would increase sales numbers of WP phones, because that means more manufacturers, but to suggest that they would take the horns moreso than HTC and Samsung is a little stretching...
 
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I work in the industry. Unless you're the lead customer on a release, you're left in the dark. That's the reality of the situation. These alliances and foundations are always a sham. There's always one company in the driving seat.

Agreed but Google seem to be doing a good job + it helps they don't manufacture anything.

Personally I hope Nokia get MeeGo out soon, it does look rather good.

The ideal scenario would be Apps that don't require purchasing more than once for different OS. Then we could happily swap from one manufacture/OS to another.
 
Nokia would be mad to go down the android of WP7 route as they would lose their identify and would just be one more phone manufacture. If they want to get back in the game and continue to be a major player they need to role MeeGo out and basically aim to try to put it on every phone they sell to create a big market for apps development. In theory it possible for them still to make a comeback but will take some serious effort.
 
Well its about time the chickens come home to roost!
i for one didn't like been a test bed for their N97 flop. They should have got the phone straight before release not release it and then try and fix it...whiles charging us for the privlege:confused:
 
As an example it currently happens a lot with laptops. People get annoyed at their £400 laptop and start looking at the person sat next to them with their £1k macbook. Obviously it's much better so they buy one, not actually stopping to think that if they spend £1k on a windows laptop then they would get the same performance.

True. But I just think the sheer adaptability of android will promote competition and hopefully bring new manufacturers into the fray.

Don't really see a problem with Apple, Google and MS all having a nice slice. Lets assume Apple's share decreases but they retain the 'high-end' market - this suits them due to the profitability. Android has the majority of the 'generic' smartphone market i.e. the general smartphones most people will own in a few years time (if that!). This also suits Google - they don't make money off the phones, or people 'enjoying' the experience.. they just need people on the net everywhere and clicking on ads! :p

As for WP7 etc... maybe somewhere in the 'middle ground' :)
 
You overestimate the intelligence of most people I think. To them they probably don't realise the higher budget android handsets are higher budget (or care) as they get the one that comes free with their package.

Either way cheap, poor performance handsets will have a negative impact on the Android brand whichever way you look at it.

Exactly... most people are stupid and will just go with whatever handset the operator throws at them at the end/beginning of their contract. Possibly don't even know it's an Android phone! I don't think the Android brand is as important as you make it out to be... People just buy what they can get away with.
 
If nokia adopt android or WP7 then we will be losing something. Symbian was good in its day but they didn't build on it.

What frustrates me is nokia have taken so, so long to react, it's actually quite unbelievable. I loved my N95 but only because i like to tinker with things, the usability was terrible.

I get so frustrated with phones, PCs, gadgets because they can be so hard to use, even for tech savvy users. Apple have been getting it right for years now, just make something that works and is easy to use.
 
I doubt that nokia will use wp7 on their phones. Its just going to put all the hard work that has gone into meego to waste. I think it will be more like sharing of eachother's services ie Microsoft Zune replaces nokia's ovi music or whatever it was called and Microsoft use Nokia's Navtec maps (they already do in bing maps). Or they make MS Office in Qt for meego and symbian etc...

A Nokia phone running WP7? Don't hold your breath. But we shall find out tomorrow at 10am on engadget!
 
I doubt that nokia will use wp7 on their phones. Its just going to put all the hard work that has gone into meego to waste. I think it will be more like sharing of eachother's services ie Microsoft Zune replaces nokia's ovi music or whatever it was called and Microsoft use Nokia's Navtec maps (they already do in bing maps). Or they make MS Office in Qt for meego and symbian etc...

A Nokia phone running WP7? Don't hold your breath. But we shall find out tomorrow at 10am on engadget!

news out now, we are going to get WP7 on Nokia handsets :/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-and-microsoft-enter-strategic-alliance-on-windows-phone-b/
 
Risky strategy. It could alienate a lot of users and we all know what happened to Palm when they ditched their own OS to move to Windows Mobile.

It's definitely a time to take risks though.
 
Oh well, bye bye Nokia, you've just signed up to become just another WP7 OEM.
WP7 currently has pretty heavy minimum specs and tight restrictions. To break into lower priced markets they're going to have to drop these or they aren't going to sell.
 
Risky strategy. It could alienate a lot of users and we all know what happened to Palm when they ditched their own OS to move to Windows Mobile.

It's definitely a time to take risks though.

This is exactly it - there are few partners Nokia could have found that might propel them back to the highest level. Kudos to them for not quietly fading into obscurity (yet...)
 
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