******* poor people :(

[MrMoonX]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm by no means rich, but I'm sick of people moaning they're poor. Especially when every move they make seems to keep them poor.

thats not the persons fault its a social problem that traps people in poverty, there are many journals on the fact that people are trapped in poverty by social inequality and oppression, you can't just work yourself out of poverty when you don't have the opportunity or social rights to do so

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

maybe with a bit of social equality and proper social welfare, we wouldn't have rich and poor, but as we live in a mostly selfish materialistic world, just live with it

No.

We have poor and rich people because some people are willing to work harder than others instead of moaning.

I grew up with a single mother on benefits receiving school dinner tickets, in a council house, luckily I was a boy so by law I had to have my own room from my sisters, they had to share a room.

I would now be considered rich with my earnings and property. If I can do it so can the others.

 

[Radiation]

Best post in the whole thread.

And for the people moaning about the rich and how they get everything, (including the lowlife causing disruption "occupying" places) there is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, not even the "rich" or the "bankers" stopping you working hard and being able to buy stuff without interest and be rich yourself. The only people you should be complaining about are you for your total lack of drive an motivation to better your self and financial standing.

Basically because you have a **** job and earn **** all it's the rich people's problem. Jog on.

People should be rewarded for hard work and their contribution to society but not to the extent that some are, it's all about wealth distribution.

As an example take bill gates, he's a billionaire, only because he had access to the potential wealth of millions of people through his company, instead of making this man filthy rich the company could have instead sold cheaper goods and services to more people and paid their workers more at the same time, also removing shares would be a good idea as well.

The overall effect of this would be that people would have more money to spend elsewhere so improving the overall economy and giving them a higher quality of life.

 

[shoes]

maybe with a bit of social equality and proper social welfare, we wouldn't have rich and poor, but as we live in a mostly selfish materialistic world, just live with it

Social equality?

Person A - studies hard, becomes a straight A student, goes to university and, gets a great job, earns lots of money and enjoys the benefits of their hard work.

Person B - leans a trade, works hard and gets themselves into a position where they own their own company or work high up in another company and earn lots of money and enjoy the benefits of this.

Person C - can't be bothered, doesn't study hard, no work hard, earns very little money.


Should person C be entitled to the same standard of living as persons A and B? If you think so then you and I are about as polar opposite in our views as possible.

As far as social equality goes EVERY SINGLE PERSON has a free education up to 16, 18 if they want it. they all have exactly the same opportunities for apprenticeships, education, training etc. and access to the same job market. Of course some people have wealthier families who help them along but this is in addition to the entitlements/opportunities listed above which are available to every single person.

Social equality? What about the scum showing some respect to show who's table they feed from?

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

People should be rewarded for hard work and their contribution to society but not to the extent that are, it's all about wealth distribution.

As an example take bill gates, he's a billionaire, only because he had access to the potential wealth of millions of people through his company, instead of making this man filthy rich the company could have instead sold cheaper goods and services to more people and paid their workers more at the same time, also removing shares would be a good idea as well.

The overall effect of this would be that people would have more money to spend elsewhere so improving the overall economy and giving them a higher quality of life.

How many jobs has Microsoft created directly and indirectly?

 

[Danthus]

thats not the persons fault its a social problem that traps people in poverty, there are many journals on the fact that people are trapped in poverty by social inequality and oppression, you can't just work yourself out of poverty when you don't have the opportunity or social rights to do so

Everyone has the same rights in this country.

 

[shoes]

Insurers don't go on the basis that someone is going to nick your car from a garage they assume that you will damage it parking it in the garage.

Fair point, well made and noted.

 

[shoes]

thats not the persons fault its a social problem that traps people in poverty, there are many journals on the fact that people are trapped in poverty by social inequality and oppression, you can't just work yourself out of poverty when you don't have the opportunity or social rights to do so

Give me an example of these poverty traps and social inequality and oppression.

 

[Danthus]

Give me an example of these poverty traps and social inequality and oppression.

The benefit system traps people.

 

[1LANCS]

I've just moved house and have informed my insurance provider of this.

They want an additional £153.83.

The only reason I can see for this is that there is a council estate within 1/2 a mile and the crime rate for car crime there is phenomenal (according to police.uk), although it's not bad on my actual street/area.

There is also another mass of social housing about 3/4 mile in the other direction.

So, I'd just like to say thanks to the poor/uneducated/moral free/scum/***** ******* who live near by for costing a hard working man an extra £153.83 for which I get literally nothing in return.

/rant

What and poor people arent hard working?

 

[shoes]

The benefit system traps people.

Explain?

I know plenty of people who have been on benefits and quite easily made the transition into employment.

 

[Pestilence]

Don't really care to get involved in the discussion completely, but I'd agree to a point that everyone is free to make what they can of themselves. There's no point being a lazy waster, then bemoaning the fact that you're a nomark as if it's everyone else's fault.

Similarly, there are obviously those in the upper echelons who are there through nepotism and other easy access routes, who do all they can to keep the doors closed for those sacrificing every shred of themselves, tooth and nail, for a better financial existence.

Still, it would be awesome to have won the birth lottery and land into an "old money" family.

 

[Danthus]

Explain?

I know plenty of people who have been on benefits and quite easily made the transition into employment.

The issue is not one of switching from unemployed to employed.

 

[shoes]

Don't really care to get involved in the discussion completely, but I'd agree to a point that everyone is free to make what they can of themselves. There's no point being a lazy waster, then bemoaning the fact that you're a nomark as if it's everyone else's fault.

Similarly, there are obviously those in the upper echelons who are there through nepotism and other easy access routes, who do all they can to keep the doors closed for those sacrificing every shred of themselves, tooth and nail, for a better financial existence.

Still, it would be awesome to have won the birth lottery and land into an "old money" family.

I have no problem with nepotism, it doesn't cost society.

Being a lazy work shy son of a ***** does. Even worse it costs those who are truly deserving of help from our (fantastic) welfare system.

I think I mentioned in another thread I'm proud we have a society which cares for it's most vulnerable. I won't betide those who take advantage though.

 

[shoes]

The issue is not one of switching from unemployed to employed.

You need to elaborate because I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm struggling to figure it out. Please could you explain in a little more detail for me?

 

[Danthus]

You need to elaborate because I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm struggling to figure it out. Please could you explain in a little more detail for me?

Someone gets a job, as a result they lose certain benefits and are financially worse off.

 

[Pestilence]

I have no problem with nepotism, it doesn't cost society.

Being a lazy work shy son of a ***** does. Even worse it costs those who are truly deserving of help from our (fantastic) welfare system.

I think I mentioned in another thread I'm proud we have a society which cares for it's most vulnerable. I won't betide those who take advantage though.

Agreed.

 

[Pestilence]

Someone gets a job, as a result they lose certain benefits and are financial worse off.

Yes, but then they apply themselves in said job. Make sacrifices and put the effort into building a career. Before long, they're making much more than they would have been, and have opened up entirely different sections of society hitherto unavailable.

They've made themselves socially mobile, through hard work and graft. That's the reward. Not just giving in straight away because they're £20 a week down or whatever in the short term.

 

[shoes]

Someone gets a job, as a result they lose certain benefits and are financially worse off.

Indeed, and because they have no pride in themselves, nor aspiration to do better they're not willing to take this minor hit for the long term gain. It's no social oppression, it's short sighted laziness coupled with a healthy dose of upset that it's not provided on a plate.

It all boils down to work ethic.

 

[J86]

Darn those poor people!