Another point to add is that it's only a year and a half after the new consoles and PC graphics are already way ahead, I'm not sure whether DX12 will either help the consoles look better or make the gap between them and PC graphics even bigger.
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Oh right so PC gaming is cheap now? not if you want the AAA titles they now deem it acceptable to release with day 1 DLC and season passes etc all which cost more.
PC gaming is cheap if you dont buy games on day 1 and or use a VPN workaround to get the game from a Key site etc.
As most of you know, if you want say Assassins Creed or a Call of Duty type game on Day 1 you are not getting it cheap if you buy it direct from supplier, pretty much same price as consoles.
While i agree entry level PC parts are cheap, who here would realistically buy and use a PC of that level daily?
The type of people who read PC gamer and would watch Twitch / E3 event streams are enthusiast gamers who want the better hardware, want to run with all the bells and whistles and will fork out the cash for the higher end gear.
So the audience that the PC guys were talking about is their market audience who mostly use higher end gear, so my point stands.
If you read PC gamer mags, they often have charts of 3 levels of PC hardware, low end, medium and high end.
Infact taken from their very own website
Budget Gaming Rig
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-budget-gaming-pc/ £574
Midrange
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-recommended-mid-range-gaming-pc/ $1309
High End
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-high-end-gaming-pc/ $2123
So as you can see even the budget rig is almost twice the price of a PS4 or Xbone.
PC gaming is cheap if you dont buy games on day 1 and or use a VPN workaround to get the game from a Key site etc.
As most of you know, if you want say Assassins Creed or a Call of Duty type game on Day 1 you are not getting it cheap if you buy it direct from supplier, pretty much same price as consoles.
While i agree entry level PC parts are cheap, who here would realistically buy and use a PC of that level daily?
The type of people who read PC gamer and would watch Twitch / E3 event streams are enthusiast gamers who want the better hardware, want to run with all the bells and whistles and will fork out the cash for the higher end gear.
So the audience that the PC guys were talking about is their market audience who mostly use higher end gear, so my point stands.
If you read PC gamer mags, they often have charts of 3 levels of PC hardware, low end, medium and high end.
Infact taken from their very own website
Budget Gaming Rig
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-budget-gaming-pc/ £574
Midrange
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-recommended-mid-range-gaming-pc/ $1309
High End
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-high-end-gaming-pc/ $2123
So as you can see even the budget rig is almost twice the price of a PS4 or Xbone.
Most of the PC audience don't use higher end gear though
The most active PC game at the moment is League of Legends, it practically runs on a potato.
Especially when Glados is attached to it
Most of the PC audience don't use higher end gear though
The most active PC game at the moment is League of Legends, it practically runs on a potato.
Haha totally this! Reason for me going back to 1080P 144HZ and Graphics card yet known, most likely a 970 or 290x. God damn them Microsoft Paint graphics looks the shiz when your tea bagging teemo!
Well you have to love their idea of a budget low end rig.
First off a 960..lol.... a 750 will do the job.
A 250Gb SSd and a 2TB HDD, lose the SSD, this is supposed to a budget machine.
You don't need a aftermarket heatsink and fan either.
I'm not saying whether the PC is cheaper than the console or not, but that article suggesting a budget PC in nonsense.
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Yeah their budget rig is more powerful in terms of GPU though not CPU than my main desktop which still runs everything fine - and I often actually game on the integrated graphics in my dual-core i5 laptop 
(not when I have access to my desktop or gaming laptop but frequently I don't if I'm e.g. abroad for work) this forum & several review sites has pretty hilarious ideas about where the 'mid range' might be - the 960 is for most users a high-end card as most people are not on current gen stuff or even close to it.
Edit: Though I'd ditch the 2TB drive and keep only the SSD personally, though I know some people like lots of space so either is a valid option. Save £100 on the graphics card, £63-74 on the drive, £25 on the cooler and you're already a LOT cheaper.
(not when I have access to my desktop or gaming laptop but frequently I don't if I'm e.g. abroad for work) this forum & several review sites has pretty hilarious ideas about where the 'mid range' might be - the 960 is for most users a high-end card as most people are not on current gen stuff or even close to it.Edit: Though I'd ditch the 2TB drive and keep only the SSD personally, though I know some people like lots of space so either is a valid option. Save £100 on the graphics card, £63-74 on the drive, £25 on the cooler and you're already a LOT cheaper.
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Just need to go in the general forum to find plenty of suggestion for cheap builds. Sure, no gaming builds as cheap as the consoles but at least you wont have to pay an additional subscription to play online!
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Dunno, i consider a proper budget PC to have a discreet GPU and not use an APU or onboard gpu, im a bit old school like that i guess.
Then again i tend to overkill what i actually need for future proofing, would hate to spend £300 on a PC to play a game to find out they release an addon or something a few months later that increases the min spec requirements beyond what i had and rendered the game unplayable.
Also Avenged, thats not strictly true, anyone thats played MMO's since the late 90's is used to paying a monthly sub for their favourite game, they are now being adopted onto consoles, double pocket gouge with that haha.
I dunno, i guess peoples idea of whats acceptable varies, i certainly wouldnt entertain spending less than 1k on a PC minus screen, keyboard and mouse, but im a bit selective like that, would rather overcompensate and get longer out of the hardware than spend low and upgrade every year or so because newer poorly ported or optomised games made my PC unplayable.
Then again i tend to overkill what i actually need for future proofing, would hate to spend £300 on a PC to play a game to find out they release an addon or something a few months later that increases the min spec requirements beyond what i had and rendered the game unplayable.
Also Avenged, thats not strictly true, anyone thats played MMO's since the late 90's is used to paying a monthly sub for their favourite game, they are now being adopted onto consoles, double pocket gouge with that haha.
I dunno, i guess peoples idea of whats acceptable varies, i certainly wouldnt entertain spending less than 1k on a PC minus screen, keyboard and mouse, but im a bit selective like that, would rather overcompensate and get longer out of the hardware than spend low and upgrade every year or so because newer poorly ported or optomised games made my PC unplayable.
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Yeah i understand what your saying, but who here would compromise for an R9 270? let alone not having an SSD ? even a 120gb one would let you install a couple of games on it.
It's not about whether us here would compromise, this section is mainly full of enthusiasts who wouldn't mind spending £445 on a GPU nevermind a whole system.
The vast majority of the PC market isn't like that though, they game on laptops or premade desktops from PC world.
The vast majority of the PC market isn't like that though, they game on laptops or premade desktops from PC world.
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I have been a dedicated player of MMOs since then, although free ones. Just saying that with consoles you dont really have a choice, there aren't really proper games to play for free, while PC has both one off paid games, subscription based ones and a ton of free ones, as well as an insane amount of mods available. OFC we all know this.
For the last month i have been playing LOL, am hoping my 290x's will be able to rev up past idle when I get my hands on The Witcher. It's not surprising that we are all a bit elitist when it comes to frame rates and eye candy, after all, this is the GPU forum. If it isn't elitism, its likely team hating that's going on in here
*Waits for another baiting troll thread or a 12gb of Vram isnt enough thread*
For the last month i have been playing LOL, am hoping my 290x's will be able to rev up past idle when I get my hands on The Witcher. It's not surprising that we are all a bit elitist when it comes to frame rates and eye candy, after all, this is the GPU forum. If it isn't elitism, its likely team hating that's going on in here
*Waits for another baiting troll thread or a 12gb of Vram isnt enough thread*
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For 1080P IMO nothing less than an R9 270.
And i wouldn't recommend the G3258 for gaming, the raw FPS might be ok but cut-down 2 core 2 thread CPU's would be pushed hard in modern games which may not make for smooth gameplay.
I'd sooner recommend an FX-4300 for that money.
And i wouldn't recommend the G3258 for gaming, the raw FPS might be ok but cut-down 2 core 2 thread CPU's would be pushed hard in modern games which may not make for smooth gameplay.
I'd sooner recommend an FX-4300 for that money.
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Yeah i guess mate, i just personally find it hard to accept that kinda rubbish performance lol.
But i know what you mean, i know a lot of people that have bought off the shelf PCs and then ended up coming to me for advice. Normally family members or friends ask me for advice on a PC the first thing i ask for is budget and what its intended use is, if they mention gaming at all then its going to be a lot more than they want to spend at a local high street retailer lol, if its just for office type stuff then off to the high street retailer you go
bought my wife a £230 Toshiba laptop from a local store the other day, all she wanted to use it for is office and her law degree studying, perfect. I wouldnt even entertain the thought of installing tetris on it let alone anything else.
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If your comparing it too a console the R9 270 is more then enough, also what console comes with an SSD, and given the price of digital games most users still need a disk. I think it silly to get extra's then say budget PC's cost twice as much.
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Vastly different architecture though i guess, Consoles resemble pc's somewhat now, but everythings lobbed on one board mainly, seen a few people mod them as well with SSD's too
Anyhow back on track, i reckon we might see more info before end of May with regards to specs etc? maybe leaks from whoever they get to do the reference stuff, 290 was Sapphire if i recall? whats the chances of leaks coming from one of those?
When DX12 starts to make its way into games Sub £400 Rigs might be much more viable.
Rock bottom low cost 4 core CPU's like the Athlon 750K / 860K would be plenty to keep the frame rates up and this coming generation of GPU's we might see R9 270X performance GPU's for ~£100
I think Under £400 to get into decent PC gaming is good competition to Consoles.
Rock bottom low cost 4 core CPU's like the Athlon 750K / 860K would be plenty to keep the frame rates up and this coming generation of GPU's we might see R9 270X performance GPU's for ~£100
I think Under £400 to get into decent PC gaming is good competition to Consoles.
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