Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

Marine-RX179 · 15 May 2015 at 09:10

Tonester0011 said:
More like 100% quicker than a 780. Guess that doesn't fit in well with your argument, lol. As for your natural progression, que 980ti and 390x.

It was not an argument...it was my "opinion".

As for how much faster is the Titan X compare to the 780, it would seem that we both remembered wrong:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/29.html

At 1920 res, the Titan X is about 66% the speed of the 780.

whyscotty · 15 May 2015 at 09:29

As a owner of both, TX is virtually equal to 780sli

Marine-RX179 said:
At 1920 res, the Titan X is about 66% the speed of the 780.

I think the TX is faster than a 780 by more than 66%

triss · 15 May 2015 at 09:32

whyscotty said:
As a owner of both, TX is virtually equal to 780sli

Plus you dont have the sli issues and the Vram issue.
All in all £550 x2 for 780's example was a good one makes titan X a bargin

whyscotty · 15 May 2015 at 09:37

triss said:
Plus you dont have the sli issues and the Vram issue.
All in all £550 x2 for 780's example was a good one makes titan X a bargin

Excellent point.

However, you'll have some will say you can get 2 for around £300-400 so it's not

chroniclard · 15 May 2015 at 09:47

Marine-RX179 said:
Because we all know that unlike the previous Titans that were that were expensive due to being semi-professional compute cards, the Titan X is really NOT a Titan, but a gaming 80 or 80Ti cards.

Being what it is, it should not have been priced at any more than around £700 at the very most even if it was a 12GB card. But by taking advantage of Titan premium branding from previous Titan product lines, Nvidia got an excuse to jack up the price by another £150-£200.

If people are happy with their purchase of the Titan X at £850-£900, good for them...but if they are trying to argue with others that the cards is justified to be priced at that, they are kidding themselves, and Nvidia is the only winner of this.

I mean the Titan X is about may be around 50% faster than the 780 that was launched 2 years ago which was sold at around £550...so despite 2 years have passed, people still have to spend 50% over the price of the 780 back then in order to get 50% more performance...whatever happened to the natural extra performance increase that comes moving gen and years passing by? The time we spent "bearing with old cards" to skip a gen waiting for new gen cards become "worthless", and extra performance with moving gen got reduced to become something more for company to squeeze for extra profit...

imo

Marine-RX179 · 15 May 2015 at 09:51

whyscotty said:
As a owner of both, TX is virtually equal to 780sli

I think the TX is faster than a 780 by more than 66%

If you feel that way, then good for you

I'm perfectly ok with people expressing their opinions, so long as they do not try to force others to accept it as facts

Though I must admit it is quite difficult to have discussions where every single person has a clear enough mind to draw the line between beliefs and facts.

triss said:
Plus you dont have the sli issues and the Vram issue.
All in all £550 x2 for 780's example was a good one makes titan X a bargin

I think you misses my point...the 780 is a two years old card, and for the Titan X, it is essentially a new gen 80 or 80Ti card with 12GB vram.

So let's say even with the increase of vram size adding to the cost considered, comparing to the 780 3GB back at £550 back then (which was considered overpriced) would be around new gen 80 card +£50 for 3GB extra vram (£600), and new gen 12GB card +£100-£150 for extra 9GB vram (£700), so the card is still marked up/inflated in price by around £150-£200 because of being brand as a "Titan" card.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 15 May 2015 at 10:05

Weren't people complaining the HD7970 was overpriced at launch?

Plus those getting all hurt that people are saying their Titan X cards are overpriced. Seriously grow some balls. Most people are served by sub £300 cards if you look at Steam. You don't invest in high stuff and expect most people to think it is good value for money.

FFS, I use Nikon full frame gear and people think it is overpriced for what it is.

I agree,since compared to most of the commonly sold cameras. The same goes with high end HiFi and so on.

Expensive cars.

Plus I know plenty of people earning decent 5 and even 6 figure sums who would think £800 on cards is a dumb amount of money for a card,yet will buy a £1000+ laptop or a £400 iPad. Yet,I know someone who is on less money than them who has spent probably nearly £1500 on graphics cards in a year.

Its nothing to do with affordability or income - its whether you feel it is a justified amount of money for an item or not.

triss · 15 May 2015 at 10:10

Marine-RX179 said:
If you feel that way, then good for you

I'm perfectly ok with people expressing their opinions, so long as they do not try to force others to accept it as facts Though I must admit it is quite difficult to have discussions where every single person has a clear enough mind to draw the line between beliefs and facts.

I think you misses my point...the 780 is a two years old card, and for the Titan X, it is essentially a new gen 80 or 80Ti card with 12GB vram.

So let's say even with the increase of vram size adding to the cost considering, comparing to the 780 3GB back at £550 back then (which was considered overpriced) would be around new gen 80 card +£50 for 3GB extra vram (£600), and new gen 12GB card +£100-£150 for extra 9GB vram (£700), so the card is still marked up/inflated in price by around £150-£200 because of being brand as a "Titan" card.

Titan X is about may be around 50% faster than the 780 that was launched 2 years ago which was sold at around £550...so despite 2 years have passed, people still have to spend 50% over the price of the 780

The point as you brought up the 780 and the £550 pricepoint (which is now also over priced :rolleyes:

) is that on release titan X is better value then 2 780's at release price. Your getting the performance of 2 780's at less than 2 x the price and less heat than 2 780's would generate , thats got to be a good thing right

, Or did you expect 2 times the performance for free?

Marine-RX179 · 15 May 2015 at 10:11

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Weren't people complaining the HD7970 was overpriced at launch?

Plus those getting all hurt that people are saying their Titan X cards are overpriced. Seriously grow some balls. Most people are served by sub £300 cards if you look at Steam. You don't invest in high stuff and expect most people to think it is good value for money.

FFS, I use Nikon full frame gear and people think it is overpriced for what it is.

I agree,since compared to most of the commonly sold cameras. The same goes with high end HiFi and so on.

Expensive cars.

Plus I know plenty of people earning decent 5 and even 6 figure sums who would think £800 on cards is a dumb amount of money for a card,yet will buy a £1000+ laptop or a £400 iPad. Yet,I know someone who is on less money than them who has spent probably nearly £1500 on graphics cards in a year.

Its nothing to do with affordability or income - its whether you feel it is a justified amount of money for an item or not.

Exactly.

Rather than trying to argue that "the Titan X is NOT overpriced", they should just go with "the card worth that much TO ME, and I don't care if it is overpriced and I am willing to pay that much for it...so there!"

Marine-RX179 · 15 May 2015 at 10:17

triss said:
The point as you brought up the 780 and the £550 pricepoint (which is now also over priced ) is that on release titan X is better value then 2 780's at release price. Your getting the performance of 2 780's at less than 2 x the price and less heat than 2 780's would generate , thats got to be a good thing right , Or did you expect 2 times the performance for free?

The flaw I see in your logic is that you completely ignored the 2 years time gap.

Your claim of flaw in my logic would be valid, only if the Titan X was released at the same time, same gen as the 780, not two years later.

Tonester0011 · 15 May 2015 at 10:18

Marine-RX179 said:
It was not an argument...it was my "opinion".

As for how much faster is the Titan X compare to the 780, it would seem that we both remembered wrong:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/29.html

At 1920 res, the Titan X is about 66% the speed of the 780.

I own both, its a lot quicker than a measly 66%, more times than not its closer to twice the speed.

Also, gotta laugh. You knew the angle you were pushing and your defence to that was "just my opinion " how ****ing convenient.

Just my opinion, based on first hand experience. So no agenda pushing here

whyscotty · 15 May 2015 at 10:18

Marine-RX179 said:
If you feel that way, then good for you

I'm perfectly ok with people expressing their opinions, so long as they do not try to force others to accept it as facts Though I must admit it is quite difficult to have discussions where every single person has a clear enough mind to draw the line between beliefs and facts.

Don't follow, If you feel that way?

I generally post from user experience or from talking to people who actually own the hardware.

As for forcing people opinions as facts that falls squarely at your feet - pot and kettle spring to mind.

RanxZy · 15 May 2015 at 10:20

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its nothing to do with affordability or income - its whether you feel it is a justified amount of money for an item or not.

+1 a lot of it is really down to opinion and imo fair game if you want to spend £860-£950 on the TX, but for me I was underwhelmed with the original Titan as a package (don't like reference coolers) so I'm not interested in it.

triss · 15 May 2015 at 10:24

Marine-RX179 said:
The flaw I see in your logic is that you completely ignored the 2 years time gap.

Your claim of flaw in my logic would be valid, only if the Titan X was released at the same time, same gen as the 780, not two years later.

Not at all Flawed

If the 2 years makes the logic flawed your whole post about the 780 performance and price which You compared to the titan X of today is flawed by the same logic,, you cant use one set of figures to say its overpriced then say those same figures are flawed when someone else uses them simply because they dont suit your argument :rolleyes:

Anyways hoping the 390x comes out at £700ish and is a good 10-15% faster then a titan X and is a raging success for AMD

Dicehunter · 15 May 2015 at 10:26

If the leaked benchmarks are anything to go by then the Titan X's performance will be matched by AMD's 390X but we all know AMD charge less than Nvidia.

Going by the available information the 390X 8GB will be in the region of £600 while the Titan X 12GB is £900.

How will Nvidia justify charging £300 more than the 390X when all the Titan X has *Theoretically* is 4GB extra memory which isn't exactly expensive to implement ?

Marine-RX179 · 15 May 2015 at 10:31

whyscotty said:
Don't follow, If you feel that way?

I generally post from user experience or from talking to people who actually own the hardware.

As for forcing people opinions as facts that falls squarely at your feet - pot and kettle spring to mind.

I meant at the end of the day, if you perceive and honestly believe the the Titan X is 200% the speed of the 780 for your gaming, that's all that matter. You don't really have to care about what I or anyone says about the performance of the Titan X, as it is just their opinions.

For me, I merely stated the Titan X is around 166% the speed of the 780 at 1920 res purely based on the performance summary of techpowerup. There's no right or wrong on "my part", as I was merely quoting the results of the review site. I didn't make up anything on that part. Though if those benchmark results are actually reflect accurately comparing to what the the owner Titan X owners perceive, it is not really my business.

That's why I said if you feel that way about your Titan X, then good for your. What it mean is that when are 980Ti and 390x, we have more to look forward to, as they can potentially to be felt to be 2 times the speed of 780/290 level cards, regardless of the benchmark results.

flopper · 15 May 2015 at 10:33

Dicehunter said:
If the leaked benchmarks are anything to go by then the Titan X's performance will be matched by AMD's 390X but we all know AMD charge less than Nvidia.

Going by the available information the 390X 8GB will be in the region of £600 while the Titan X 12GB is £900.

How will Nvidia justify charging £300 more than the 390X when all the Titan X has *Theoretically* is 4GB extra memory which isn't exactly expensive to implement ?

some buy old technology when new technology is about to hit the market and get the buyers remorse. People rationalize all the time even when they been lied to a lot as they lied for the greater good....right.....

In the mean time I am preparing for the arriving Godsend 390x.
I did my homework, did make my computer shiny, built a temple and have a special place for it.

Marine-RX179 · 15 May 2015 at 10:37

triss said:
Not at all Flawed
If the 2 years makes the logic flawed your whole post about the 780 performance and price which You compared to the titan X of today is flawed by the same logic,, you cant use one set of figures to say its overpriced then say those same figures are flawed when someone else uses them simply because they dont suit your argument

You still missing my point.

My point has always been solely about that the fat 80 card are becoming more and more expensive with each passing gen, and has nothing to do with SLI, or dual-GPUs setup at all. And regardless of the Titan branding, the Titan X is in reality a fat 80 card not a Titan under the hood.

Kaapstad · 15 May 2015 at 10:41

Dicehunter said:
If the leaked benchmarks are anything to go by then the Titan X's performance will be matched by AMD's 390X but we all know AMD charge less than Nvidia.

Going by the available information the 390X 8GB will be in the region of £600 while the Titan X 12GB is £900.

How will Nvidia justify charging £300 more than the 390X when all the Titan X has *Theoretically* is 4GB extra memory which isn't exactly expensive to implement ?

If you compare original Titans to 290Xs you will know the answer.

Insanties_birth · 15 May 2015 at 10:43

triss said:
The point as you brought up the 780 and the £550 pricepoint (which is now also over priced ) is that on release titan X is better value then 2 780's at release price. Your getting the performance of 2 780's at less than 2 x the price and less heat than 2 780's would generate , thats got to be a good thing right , Or did you expect 2 times the performance for free?

But if you go by Nvidia prices to prove Nvidia are not ripping you off then you may as well subscribe up to propaganda weekly straight from your local dictatorship. After all GTX 680 was around £450 (at most) at launch and just one generation later we have the 780's sitting another £100 more. For all the people decrying costs of these cards and how much they cost to make it is pretty obvious they didn't shoot up by £100 in manufacturing costs while still skimping on vram and bus size along with increasing market share for Nvidia meaning even more profit.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/36865-nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-launch-day-pricing-availability/

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/gtx-780-revealed-by-nvidia/031022

We're talking facts here, price to performance based on Nvidia practices is going to be weak because they price hike as they wish due to having a sizeable market share lead. The titan IS overpriced and no one is decrying people for buying it because I'm sure we'd all prefer to have one than not but when it comes to price as a factual thing in comparison to other cards released, what AMD offer and old Nvidia offerings etc. we know it can be done cheaper. A 290x isn't that far off a Nvidia GTX 780ti but there's a £140 difference in cost due to Nvidia premiums and minimal performance difference. This is an AMD thread so I'd like it to get back on track but lets be real here, the titan is just one card that was price hiked within the Nvidia range so this is a bigger picture than whether the titan owners can cry themselves to sleep justifying there purchase without getting defensive over anyone even considering that price could be a bit too much (which is up to YOU if you want to buy it). Nvidia are trying to raise the price across the board even with larger market share and poor performance gains over time and skimping on v-ram / bus (unless you give them the nearly 1k). It's about more than titan guys, wake up and stop being so weak willed you have to enter denial mode to cope with them raising prices. Anyway hope we can leave it at that, back on topic.