Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

Martini1991 · 2 Jun 2015 at 10:20

AMD called their highest end FX Chip Centurion and priced it at the same price as a 4930K.
I don't think their naming is to be trusted

While I'm sure AMD's performance is going to be fine, I'm pretty sure they're not going to price it well (As in, what the actual market will be interested in, not fanboys).
I'll perhaps buy it, but I'm probably waiting for pricing to die down.

Kaapstad · 2 Jun 2015 at 10:48

Martini1991 said:
AMD called their highest end FX Chip Centurion and priced it at the same price as a 4930K.
I don't think their naming is to be trusted

While I'm sure AMD's performance is going to be fine, I'm pretty sure they're not going to price it well (As in, what the actual market will be interested in, not fanboys).
I'll perhaps buy it, but I'm probably waiting for pricing to die down.

I wish AMD would charge more for their cards and put the extra money into providing a more polished product.

If you see a TitanX close up even before you put it in the PC it feels like a quality product and very solidly built.

When you remove the stock cooler on a TX to water cool it you actually feel bad about wasting a very good cooler. When you do the same with a 290X you just want to get the cooler off as fast as possible.

AMD produce very good cards but they do have rough edges.

SimBy · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:08

Kaapstad said:
I wish AMD would charge more for their cards and put the extra money into providing a more polished product.

If you see a TitanX close up even before you put it in the PC it feels like a quality product and very solidly built.

When you remove the stock cooler on a TX to water cool it you actually feel bad about wasting a very good cooler. When you do the same with a 290X you just want to get the cooler off as fast as possible.

AMD produce very good cards but they do have rough edges.

AMD reference coolers were definitely a huge letdown in the past. Difference between reference and custom coolers by ASUS and the like is like night and day. I would not touch a reference cooled 290 with a 10 foot pole.

I think it really hurt the image of otherwise great gpu.

NZXT30 · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:20

Kaapstad said:
I wish AMD would charge more for their cards and put the extra money into providing a more polished product.

If you see a TitanX close up even before you put it in the PC it feels like a quality product and very solidly built.

When you remove the stock cooler on a TX to water cool it you actually feel bad about wasting a very good cooler. When you do the same with a 290X you just want to get the cooler off as fast as possible.

AMD produce very good cards but they do have rough edges.

the 295x2 feels like a high quality product so AMD can do it.

ubersonic · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:22

Kaapstad said:
I wish AMD would charge more for their cards and put the extra money into providing a more polished product.

Yeah, like when 3DFX priced the Voodoo 4/5 at more than they were worth so they could invest in Rampage and blow Geforce away, that turned out great

*EDIT*

Ahh you meant polishing the product itself not providing a successor based off the profit, I see.

Diddums · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:25

I must agree, particularly with the Hawaii cards. They felt like underdeveloped shortcuts on an otherwise brilliant card, it was only once the AIBs started releasing the the card got what it deserved but by then the damage was done, the card had a bad rep for generating too much heat.

That said, it does help keep the prices down.

ubersonic · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:28

Diddums said:
it was only once the AIBs started releasing the the card got what it deserved but by then the damage was done, the card had a bad rep for generating too much heat.

Not to nitpick, but the AIB cards didn't reduce the heat produced, they increased it, they reduced GPU temps by getting that heat off the card and into the case/room faster.

Kaapstad · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:31

Diddums said:
I must agree, particularly with the Hawaii cards. They felt like underdeveloped shortcuts on an otherwise brilliant card, it was only once the AIBs started releasing the the card got what it deserved but by then the damage was done, the card had a bad rep for generating too much heat.

That said, it does help keep the prices down.

My Hawaii cards are on water and run flawlessly with no problems at all.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:34

^

Once under, you realise how much these chips have to offer in terms of overclocking. Both my cards run flawlessly with ambitious clocks despite them being reference, elpida and all the rest. The only let down of these cards were the coolers and tbh, they were no where near as bad as they were made out to be.

Diddums · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:44

I was referring to the rubbish reference coolers

TwsT · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:50

Avenged7Fold said:
^

Once under, you realise how much these chips have to offer in terms of overclocking. Both my cards run flawlessly with ambitious clocks despite them being reference, elpida and all the rest. The only let down of these cards were the coolers and tbh, they were no where near as bad as they were made out to be.

they were the ref coolers were terrible for cards that were so capable.

they were noisy as **** and the cards still ran hot they were as bad as the ref GTX 480 coolers.

I couldn't live with them running at above 50% at all way too loud.

I can deal with the 295 x 2 noise but meh the 290 noise was grim

If the card wasn't so damned big it would be under water too

(evolv case too small for front rad and 295 x 2)

LoadsaMoney · 2 Jun 2015 at 11:52

TaKeN said:
There will be driver support, they'll have been working on it for months, which is why the current gen is seeing lack luster support.

Basically, they want everyone off their old cards and onto their new.

mmj_uk · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:13

majnu said:
Why not? If it performs well compared to equally priced nvidia cards then it will shift unless you're tied to gsync.

AMD's main market throughout their history has typically been cheapskates, about the only successful premium product I can recall them selling is the Athlon FX line and that was when Intel were floundering around with the P4.

AMD don't have the developer relations programme in place to command such a premium imo, imagine paying £700+ for a Fury and all you get from AMD is whining towards NVidia and re-runs of the recent Project Cars/Witcher 3 fiascos, waiting until after release to work with the developer is not going to be good enough. It's a lot more excusable for a value brand.

ubersonic · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:27

mmj_uk said:
AMD's main market throughout their history has typically been cheapskates

Before 3DFX and Nvidia arrived on the scene it was fat cats. ATi's downfall was selling inferior products at a higher price than their new rivals and assuming people would buy because of their brand.

N19h7m4r3 · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:31

ubersonic said:
Before 3DFX and Nvidia arrived on the scene it was fat cats. ATi's downfall was selling inferior products at a higher price than their new rivals and assuming people would buy because of their brand.

That was ATI though. This is AMD, they're a far cry from the 9800XT, and 1950Xt's.

The 2900XT started the downward trend, hot, expensive and weak. Pity that although the 5870 was amazing they didn't gain more market share, and the debt they were paying off didn't help R&D

BS Dave · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:31

mmj_uk said:
AMD's main market throughout their history has typically been cheapskates

Wow - bait much?

Ayahuasca · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:32

No different to what flopper does but nobody seems to call him out.

shankly1985 · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:35

mmj_uk said:
AMD's main market throughout their history has typically been cheapskates, about the only successful premium product I can recall them selling is the Athlon FX line and that was when Intel were floundering around with the P4.

AMD don't have the developer relations programme in place to command such a premium imo, imagine paying £700+ for a Fury and all you get from AMD is whining towards NVidia and re-runs of the recent Project Cars/Witcher 3 fiascos, waiting until after release to work with the developer is not going to be good enough. It's a lot more excusable for a value brand.

Bah, Bah, Bah

AMD also work with Devs in there Gaming Evolved scheme, So stop TALKING rubbish.. Both Nvidia and AMD have there own set of Devs they work with.
And you see more come E3 when AMD is at the show with PCGamer.

Cheapskates?? What! Shut the front Door!

Nexus18 · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:38

It's mmj_uk so no surprise

Always the same old little digs/baits.

Ayahuasca said:
No different to what flopper does but nobody seems to call him out.

Flopper is a special case

Most of the time his posts are completely wrong but I actually find them quite amusing to read and just can't take them seriously. I don't think he is "serious" with a lot of what he says, if he is then it is worrying....

Where as mmj's and lambchop's (less so since the suspension rule came about) posts come across to me with nothing but pure hatred for AMD and their customers.

slick rick · 2 Jun 2015 at 12:38

I didn't know I was a cheapskate but I appreciate the heads up.