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Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

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No it's bloody not.

It was supposed to be 1GB per stack * 4

Now it's 2GB * 4

Dunno why this has to be so complicated.



Don't worry, he's waffling. ;)

Now you are changing your tune!


There will be 4 2GB chips, as was always going to be the case to get 8GB, otherwise the 390X would be limited to 4GB which would be useless.
 
In the memory world everything is done in bits.The small b is bits not Bytes.
Nothing has changed on HBM1 because it is too late to make changes to the specifications.

The Momory world is stuck in 1996 :p the rest of the world speak in Bytes, has done since about 2002 for crying out loud.
 
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No, you have just realized you are wrong and are backtracking, ediitng your posts.

No.

All the rumours for the longest time were 4GB. Only recently did a rumour come out about 8GB. Nobody knew how it would be accomplished, we were working off old slides which suggested a limit of 4GB.

And TBH you are the one backtracking, I think you just responded with the stock big B little b thing trying to sound smart, assuming you'd be right as so many people make that mistake.

Now you're trying to say we knew it'd be 8GB all along? No no no.
 
No.

All the rumours for the longest time were 4GB. Only recently did a rumour come out about 8GB. Nobody knew how it would be accomplished, we were working off old slides which suggested a limit of 4GB.

And TBH you are the one backtracking, I think you just responded with the stock big B little b thing trying to sound smart, assuming you'd be right as so many people make that mistake.

Now you're trying to say we knew it'd be 8GB all along? No no no.

ehh, get of you high horse:rolleyes:

The 4GB thing was ridiculous.
HBM memory allows adding multiple chips like GDDR5. AMD will need to have 4 HBM stacks.
 
For the love of god people are so overly pedantic. Here is the history of how things came about.

Everyone(almost everyone anyway :p ) kept saying 390x was 4GB because HBM1 was supposedly limited to 1GB stacks and people assumed you wouldn't be able to fit more than 4 stacks around a gpu for various reasons, yield, cost, power usage(1TB/s bandwidth is overkill and would use more power for no particularly good reason).

I from day one said, based on the entire history of memory, that HBM 1 was a MINIMUM spec, and HBM2 was also a minimum spec. Meaning if you memory meets all the requirements of HBM1 but not all of the HBM2 specs it can't be called HBM2, that is all. It doesn't mean HBM 1 couldn't have 8 hi stack, higher speed or double capacity, just that when you add them all together in one go you can call it HBM 2.

Those slides show two things, one being that 8-hi stacks on HBM 1 are very much doable and that two, what I had theorised for APU's ages ago but seems to be coming for GPU's is that they are going to effectively put two memory stacks on one connecting base die, then connect that to the interposer. So you still have 4 memory stacks on the interposer with the gpu and only a 4x1024bit HBM memory controller on the gpu, but each stack is effectively two stacks stuck together to double the capacity. That is why there are 8 2Gb's shown in two stacks on top of a base die.

Originally everyone was saying more than 1GB per stack would be impossible due to the HBM 1 limits, this is clearly untrue, they've both effectively doubled the capacity in one direction with double height stacks AND they've doubled capacity another way by melding two stacks together to mimic one bigger stack. Thus HBM 1 will get at least 2 and 4GB 'stacks'... regarding a stack as one chip you would stick onto an interposer(even though both the 2 and 4GB stacks would really be 2 stacks stuck together pretending to be one stack).
 
Also in a wildly unrealistic what if scenario.... What if the 390X was 16gb of HBM mem with some mental TitanX slaying speeds and come in at say £600? How do you answer that as Nvidia? Theoretically 16gb is possible right? And AMD love a bargain....

Realistically though AMD are hyping 4k and VR lately, surely they must have something up their sleeves that is aiming in that direction
 
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8GB would be perfect, enough for all current stuff and some wiggle room for future ones.

I hope AMD destroy the Titan X and go back to the good old days of competition. I'll gladly switch back to AMD if the performance is there.
 
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8GB would be perfect, enough for all current stuff and some wiggle room for future ones.

I hope AMD destroy the Titan X and go back to the good old days of competition. I'll gladly switch back to AMD if the performance is there.

yup, they just need to leak some info next week, that's all
 
Genuine question. Do they have to compete against the X with the 390x? Its a brand new segment at an artificial price point.

Isn't the 390x's competition the 980 ti? Similar expected price point, top versions of the "normal" releases etc.
 
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Genuine question. Do they have to compete against the X with the 390x? Its a brand new segment at an artificial price point.

Isn't the 390's competition the 980 ti?

You're correct. The competition for the 390X is the 980(Ti). The 390X likely won't be within £300 of the price of the Titan X, which at the moment has its own niche market segment to itself.
 
You're correct. The competition for the 390X is the 980(Ti). The 390X likely won't be within £300 of the price of the Titan X, which at the moment has its own niche market segment to itself.

Good good. Just seems people are comparing it with the X.

And it'll never be under 400 quid on release. Fredflint. The 290x was more than that on release and the 390 has new tech and a bigger core.
 
The x390 has to fight the Titan X. People will buy from the vendor with the fastest card even if its just a lesser version they are getting and by people i mean less informed people. If the 390x can trade blows with the Titan X which i think it will specificly in 4k without having a vacuum cleaner for a cooler, AMDs image might go up a bit. The only thing that can beat brand loyalty is sheer speed and performance imho.
 
Sure it'll be a bonus to get near the X but I don't think it has to fight it.

I kinda feel like all this talk is unrealistic aspiration that is doomed to make people disappointed even if its a great card.

Its entirely unrealistic to think the smaller company can produce and sell a card that is 400 quid cheaper and outperform a card a tier above its own entry and still make a profit. Nvidias never been able to do it as the larger company. Even the legendary 8800 series.
 
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