* * * POST Your GPU ASIC Quality Thread

Confused Stu · 24 Jan 2012 at 23:42

VTX3D 7970:

Overclocks to the limits of CCC without changing voltage, which is enough for me at the moment.

drunkenmaster · 25 Jan 2012 at 01:00

I sense a way to make a profit, make up a program, put some advertising on the site, call it a benchmarking tool for high end cards, click a button, random number generator gives you a result back.

Before this thread I never thought people would fall for that.

IN reality, no one knows what the number represents, how its calculated, or what it means, if its accurate so is literally worthless.

Before now I called benchmarking Furmark worthless as you'll never actually play it while at least something like Haven gives you a comparable output and framerate which may one day show you how a game that looks the same might perform on your hardware(even then, its pretty useless).

But this.. a random meaningless percentage?

G-MAN2004 · 25 Jan 2012 at 01:10

Does this make me awesome, or is it a completely pointless benchmark? Probably a bit of both.

gareth170 said:
my laptop gpu.

What have you done to yours that is different to mine then?

jjgreenwood · 25 Jan 2012 at 07:23

Asus Hd7970 - 83.3%

J.D · 25 Jan 2012 at 09:25

trisp said:
Makes sense as it got one of the highest gtx 580 scores in the heaven 2 benchmark thread.

Riiiiggggghhhhtt...... :confused:

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Read the whole thread and then think about what you have just said.

Duff-Man has a score of 99.1% on one of his cards and it clocks less than his other card which got about 64.7 or 67.4%. There are others with similar stories. That's why I'm completely baffled to your statement which in no way correlates to your "highest gtx 580 scores in the heaven 2 benchmark thread". If it makes sense, how so?.

straxusii · 25 Jan 2012 at 10:19

drunkenmaster said:
I sense a way to make a profit, make up a program, put some advertising on the site, call it a benchmarking tool for high end cards, click a button, random number generator gives you a result back.

Before this thread I never thought people would fall for that.

IN reality, no one knows what the number represents, how its calculated, or what it means, if its accurate so is literally worthless.

Before now I called benchmarking Furmark worthless as you'll never actually play it while at least something like Haven gives you a comparable output and framerate which may one day show you how a game that looks the same might perform on your hardware(even then, its pretty useless).

But this.. a random meaningless percentage?

You got below 50% then DM?

J.D · 25 Jan 2012 at 10:21

straxusii said:
You got below 50% then DM?

That would maybe point to a great clocking card though (from reading this thread)

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Stanners · 25 Jan 2012 at 10:38

J.D said:
That would maybe point to a great clocking card though (from reading this thread) .

Not sure what any of it means as mine will clock upto 850mhz no problem, will maybe go even higher and I get over 100%

I am at a loss to see what it actually means, good or bad!

J.D · 25 Jan 2012 at 10:49

Stanners said:
Not sure what any of it means as mine will clock upto 850mhz no problem, will maybe go even higher and I get over 100%

I am at a loss to see what it actually means, good or bad!

What is the average overclock of the 570s though?. If you are above average then yeah I agree it's strange.

I thought it was a growing trend those with lower scores have good clockers and thought more so with the information about CPUs and leakage relating to good clockers in this thread.

Bah

, back to the drawing board

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Stanners · 25 Jan 2012 at 10:55

J.D said:
What is the average overclock of the 570s though?. If you are above average then yeah I agree it's strange.

I thought it was a growing trend those with lower scores have good clockers and thought more so with the information about CPUs and leakage relating to good clockers in this thread.

Bah , back to the drawing board .

Mine is currenlty running at the default oc of 750, but I have been running it at 800 24/7. I will try it again tonight with a larger OC and see if that makes any difference.

As i said, very strange

(I personally think it means nothing!)

mmj_uk · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:03

Stanners said:
However this works it seems the 570's are getting the highest percentages.

I've been doing some further research apparently the 570/580 GPU's have a VID voltage programmed into them like CPU's do, this can be overriden by a set BIOS voltage but some BIOS's just say 'use the VID voltage'.

So my theory is this application simply reads the VID programmed into the GPU and turns it into a percentage, obviously those GPU's intended for GTX570 will have a lower VID because they don't have to power as much, in reality if 570GTX were such good quality they'd be used in a 580GTX.

So basically if I'm right it should mean the higher the 'ASIC quality' the lower the stock voltage is compared to other cards of that model, I don't think you can really compare different models though.

DM is correct in that there is no magical way for this program to tell the quality, like I said all I think it's doing is reading the ASIC VID and comparing it to known values.. ie. say the lowest known VID for GTX580 is 1000mV and you have a card with 1000mV VID then you will get a 100% readout, some people have reported getting 110% so it makes sense there is definitely some math going on, others have reported that cards with a lower 'quality' percentage clock higher... I wouldn't put too much faith in this.

gareth170 · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:03

G-MAN2004 said:
What have you done to yours that is different to mine then?

nothing, i've only overclocked it but got same reading even before i overclocked it.

is your 555m the main gpu or secondary gpu?

mine is the secondary gpu and i have to go in nvida control panel to tell it to use the 555m gpu instead of the intel HD 3000 gpu.

J.D · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:07

Stanners said:
Mine is currenlty running at the default oc of 750, but I have been running it at 800 24/7. I will try it again tonight with a larger OC and see if that makes any difference.

As i said, very strange

(I personally think it means nothing!)

Well I think you should see what you can get out of it for curiousity reasons. I would have said for what we were talking about but mmj_uk has made a good point. I remember reading earlier in this thread about if the BIOS had something to do with it. It was as reasonable as some other theories.

mmj_uk said:
I've been doing some further research apparently the 570/580 GPU's have a VID voltage programmed into them like CPU's do, this can be overriden by a set BIOS voltage but some BIOS's just say 'use the VID voltage'.

So my theory is this application simply reads the VID programmed into the GPU and turns it into a percentage, obviously those GPU's intended for GTX570 will have a lower VID because they don't have to power as much, if 570GTX were such good quality they'd be used in a 580GTX.

So basically if I'm right it should mean the higher the 'ASIC quality' the lower the stock voltage is compared to other cards of that model, I don't think you can really compare different models though.

So who is up for flashing their card?.

Can you change voltage in the BIOS of Nvidia cards like you can with RBE (Radeon Bios Editor) for AMD?.

mmj_uk · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:18

J.D said:
So who is up for flashing their card?.

I tried last night on my GTX580 it doesn't make any difference, like I said I think it's reading the VID programmed into the actual GPU and not BIOS voltage.

gareth170 · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:20

my 555m runs at 0.86v and it seems it can overclock to 701/1402+

Meaker · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:26

I bench up to 850mhz at 0.9v, 735mhz 0.85v.

J.D · 25 Jan 2012 at 11:34

mmj_uk said:
I tried last night on my GTX580 it doesn't make any difference, like I said I think it's reading the VID programmed into the actual GPU and not BIOS voltage.

Sorry, I've probably read it if you've posted it on this thread and just not taken it in. I'm shattered.

I hope there's a definitive answer regarding this but your theory seems to tick the right boxes for me so far. Thank you.

{SAS}TB · 25 Jan 2012 at 12:16

Phantom 3 gb GTX 580 SLI :s

Seems on a par wth WEI

xsistor · 25 Jan 2012 at 12:17

gareth170 said:
nothing, i've only overclocked it but got same reading even before i overclocked it.

is your 555m the main gpu or secondary gpu?

mine is the secondary gpu and i have to go in nvida control panel to tell it to use the 555m gpu instead of the intel HD 3000 gpu.

Try the dropdown box at the bottom of GPU-Z. Changing the GPU there worked fine for me on my work laptop which has a sandybridge IGP and an NVIDIA GPU.

drunkenmaster · 25 Jan 2012 at 12:32

Stanners said:
Not sure what any of it means as mine will clock upto 850mhz no problem, will maybe go even higher and I get over 100%

I am at a loss to see what it actually means, good or bad!

That's pretty much the point, there is no pattern, it relates to nothing, and on top of that no one has a clue how the numbers are made up.

At least in heaven you know what an FPS is and you can watch the demo and monitor the fps, the score is based on this.

The asic number may as well be a random number generator.... it may in fact be a random number generator, why anyone would bench it I really don't know.